--- Log opened Wed Jan 04 00:00:52 2006
00:09 >> Bull_[UK] is now known as Bull_[Zzz]
01:53 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away
03:04 >> #punt-dev JOIN adamhill (n=adamhill@adsl-70-136-51-172.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net)
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05:56 >> #punt-dev JOIN mazop (n=mazop@212.183.13.231)
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12:01 >> #punt-dev PART mazop (n=mazop@212.183.13.231) ()
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15:00 >> #punt-dev JOIN adamhill_work (n=86a3fd7e@70.84.174.194)
15:34 >> #punt-dev JOIN mashi (n=mashihar@86.80-202-208.nextgentel.com)
15:49 < nhv> hi mashi
15:51 < mashi> hi nhv!
15:53 < adamhill_work> hey mashi
15:54 < mashi> hi adamhill_work!
16:03 >> #punt-dev JOIN [1]adamhill (n=adamhill@adsl-70-136-51-172.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net)
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16:30 >> #punt-dev JOIN mazop (n=mazop@dsl-242-220.utaonline.at)
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16:58 >> dpatton_away is now known as dpatton
16:59 < dpatton> mazop: you here?
17:00 < mazop> yep, here
17:05 < mazop> dave: YUP ;)
17:06 < dpatton> mazop: Hi. mashi showed me a screenshot of your new icons, so I wanted to "discuss things" :-)
17:07 < mashi> hi mazop!
17:07 < mazop> hey mashi ;)
17:08 < mazop> dave: 1st : i think you are right with the 'no text in icons' ....
17:08 < dpatton> mazop: first thing - don't be afraid to discuss your plans/ideas with us(and others) here, before you spend your time on things - we wouldn't want you to waste any time, because it might take away from "party time" ;-)
17:08 < mazop> i was a little bit more playing today.....and for my eyes the toolbar with icons uses no text looks best....
17:09 < dpatton> Yes - the "text" issue - I'm still not sure about that
17:10 < mazop> afraid ? hmmm.... waste time ? .... hmmm ..... i never have feelings like that
17:10 < dpatton> Icons with no text at all don't need to be translated
17:10 * mazop somtimes afraid about not knowing that a party is going on ....
17:11 < dpatton> However, when an icon relates to data that 'belongs to' a certain group/company, should their 'name' be in the icon?
17:11 < dpatton> For example, WWC, USGS, NASA?
17:12 < dpatton> Or should that only apply to the Server Logo, which is used for the download indicator?
17:12 < mazop> if you ask me i would say 'dont know' ..... does anybody cares about where the data cames from ?..... i mean the users.....
17:12 < dpatton> probabloy not
17:13 < mazop> whats about the 'active layer thing' ...... datasources should get explained there imo
17:13 < dpatton> So what should the icon be/say for data developed by the USGS, and served by Terraserver, which shows USA topo maps?
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17:14 >> [1]adamhill is now known as adamhill
17:14 < mazop> ...mouseover gives a text .... and this text is something like a short description...
17:14 < mazop> ....and should be enough imo
17:14 < mazop> or could be enough ;)
17:14 < dpatton> The ServerLogo could say USGS, or some indication of Terraserver, but maybe that toolbar icon should show a topo map, and nothing else?
17:15 < dpatton> And the mouseover 'tooltip' text for that icon could say "USA topo maps"
17:16 >> Bull_[Zzz] is now known as Bull_[UK]
17:16 < mazop> ...thats the toolbar i use right now for punt : http://www.dynagis.net/punt-temp/punt_toolbar.jpg
17:16 < dpatton> How layers are presented to the user needs to be reworked anyway
17:17 < mazop> like you see on screenshot: no text, and all imagery layers same style ....
17:19 < dpatton> I think it's a good idea to have all imagery layers use the same style - either that, or be able to use different shapes/styles, but always have an "I" symbol(except "Image" in other languages doesn't use "I"?)
17:20 < dpatton> For example, USA imagery could perhaps use an icon shaped like the continental USA?
17:21 < mazop> the best would probably be to get an easy way to let users choose their preferd  'skin' (and skin in this case would mean a set of icons for the toolbar) ...
17:23 < mazop> i just started up that icon-thing, because i use ww AND punt ..... and i want different styles/skins .....
17:23 < dpatton> yes, but that won't happen in Punt 1.4.0
17:24 < mazop> ....and really sorry for now....but have to run to pick up gabi now .... ill be back in half an hour.....
17:24 < dpatton> ok
17:24 < mazop> hang on ;)
17:37 < mashi> toolbar from yesterday: http://mashiharu.com/mazpunt.jpg
17:58 < mazop> back
18:02 < mazop> dave: the idea with the 'I' for icons....i dont vote for that ..... maybe better to use '30m' , '15m' , '1m'  related to the res of imagery ...
18:10 < dpatton> how about: all toolbar icons for imagery have something in common - their shape, or some 'symbol'; no text(even 30m 15m etc can cause problem - e.g. 0.5m vs 0,5m); each icon is distinct from the others when viewed in black and white
18:12 < mazop> i really liked the idea about 'active layers' and their description.....will it be available ?
18:13 < dpatton> mazop: it's up to you at this point :-)  If we have a new set of icons we can use them in Punt 1.4.0beta1, otherwise it will stay as is
18:14 < dpatton> "idea about 'active layers' and their description" - not sure what you mean?
18:15 < mazop> anyone else would like to play with icons for the punt toolbar ? i could offer a nice .PSD startup-kit ;)
18:16 < mazop> dave: i can remember, that the 'active layer' option showed up two sections...the settings for the layer AND a description for the layer ..... know now what i mean ?
18:17 < dpatton> oh, ok - mashi removed that a while ago, because it was a "prototype" that he started, and was never finished - it's not on the list for Punt 1.4.0beta1
18:18 < mazop> what a pity ;)
18:19 < mazop> i guess, that some users would be intersted in some backgroundinfo about the imagery - and the 'active layer thing' would be a good way to bring some infos to the users....
18:20 < dpatton> I've added it to the Punt to-do list
18:21 < dpatton> Once 1.4.0beta1 is released(perhaps this weekend?), then there can be a discussion about 'what to do next' :-)
18:23 < dpatton> mazop: we may need an installer for 1.4.0beta1 - it depends on how things go with what I'm working on, which will require a new XML file in /Config/Earth
18:31 < dpatton> It's not raining(for a change!), so I'm going out to do a few errands....
18:31 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away
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