--- Log opened Mon Nov 28 00:00:47 2005
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02:01 >> Bull_[UK] is now known as Bull_[Zzz]
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04:37 >> #punt JOIN nhv_ (n=nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com)
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06:13 >> #punt JOIN mazop (n=mazop@212.183.13.231)
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13:21 >> #punt PART mazop (n=mazop@212.183.13.231) ()
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16:14 >> Bull_[Zzz] is now known as Bull_[UK]
16:19 >> dpatton_away is now known as dpatton
16:46 >> #punt PART mazop (n=mazop@212.183.13.231) ()
16:55 >> #punt JOIN piotr` (n=Jean_FIL@AOrleans-152-1-79-221.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr)
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17:21 >> #punt JOIN adamhill (i=adamhill@adsl-67-66-63-30.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net)
18:47 >> #punt JOIN adamhill_work (n=86a3fd7e@70.84.174.194)
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18:59 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away
19:02 >> #punt JOIN adamhill_work (n=86a3fd7e@70.84.174.194)
19:10 < piotr`> dpatton_away : http://pj.piotr.free.fr/wwind/fr-FR.Punt.pot
19:29 >> dpatton_away is now known as dpatton
19:39 < dpatton> piotr`: shouldn't that be /punt/ in your link, not /wwind/ ? ;-)
19:40 < dpatton> piotr`: should I make your translationd be "French", rather than "French(France)"? Do you know what the differences might be?
19:40 < adamhill_work> Haha! No one expects the Worldwind Inquistion!!
19:41 < dpatton> oh - a small thing - when you rename the POT file, you should change the extension to .po(e.g. fr-FR.Punt.po)
19:41 < Nowak> adamhill_work: LOL
19:41 < dpatton> Nowak: hi - did you ever look into doing a Polish translation?
19:42 < Nowak> It would suck if i do it ;)
19:43 < dpatton> Nowak: why?
19:44 < Nowak> cause my pl suck :P
19:45 >> #punt JOIN mazop (n=mazop@dsl-240-66.utaonline.at)
19:46 < dpatton> Nowak: oh, I thought your native language was Polish
19:47 < dpatton> piotr`: errors in your PO file - I'll take a look at it...
19:58 < dpatton> piotr`: best thing would be for me to tell you were the errors are - some I could fix, but not all
20:00 < dpatton> piotr`: here are the error messages:
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:821: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:965: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:977: msgstr lacks the keyboard accelerator mark '&'
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:1061: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:1066: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:1134: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:1320: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:1785: msgstr lacks the keyboard accelerator mark '&'
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:1888: msgstr lacks the keyboard accelerator mark '&'
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:2249: msgstr lacks the keyboard accelerator mark '&'
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:2254: msgstr lacks the keyboard accelerator mark '&'
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:2453: number of format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
20:00 < dpatton> /home/dpatton/PO/fr.Punt.po:2541: msgstr lacks the keyboard accelerator mark '&'
20:00 < dpatton> msgfmt: found 15 fatal errors
20:01 < dpatton> piotr`: for the "number of format specifications" errors, you must have the same number of {n} format specifications in your translated string as in the original message
20:02 < dpatton> piotr`: if it's unclear how to translate the message, because of not knowing what the {x}s mean, let me know and I'll give you an example
20:05 < dpatton> piotr`: the "keyboard accelerator mark" errors may not be _errors_ - see the "Ampersand (&) characters in messages" section near the bottom of this page: http://punt.sourceforge.net/4translators.html
20:21 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away
20:51 >> SignOff: nhv (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#punt]
20:51 >> #punt JOIN nhv__ (n=nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com)
20:53 >> nhv__ is now known as nhv
20:56 < piotr`> back
20:57 < piotr`> whoa that's some serious amount of errors
20:59 >> #punt PART mazop (n=mazop@dsl-240-66.utaonline.at) ()
21:03 < Bull_[UK]> piotr - http://forum.worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/index.php?showtopic=5153
21:03 < Bull_[UK]> :P
21:08 < piotr`> ah
21:08 < piotr`> hmm
21:09 < piotr`> it is indeed quite tricky to reproduce earth's atmosphere
21:09 < Bull_[UK]> hehe, yup thats why I didnt try
21:10 < nhv> here is another approach   http://rafb.net/paste/results/2DkwwY35.html
21:11 < piotr`> Bull_[UK] : first time I tried, it was with 3D Studio Max and Brazil r/s using a shitload of massive textures and a series of transparent spheres around the globe
21:11 < piotr`> and adjusting the transparency (and modes) of those spheres was the most difficult part
21:12 < piotr`> but ok when I got five minutes I give it a try =)
21:12 < Bull_[UK]> nhv - thanks
21:12 < Bull_[UK]> piotr thnx too :)
21:13 < piotr`> Bull_[UK] do you have any clue of what the "same number of {n] format lmzkrjazlkrjazm -(...)" means ?
21:14 < piotr`> I think I'm a good translator but I'm the poorest programmer on earth
21:18 < Bull_[UK]> hehe no idea
21:19 >> dpatton_away is now known as dpatton
21:19 < piotr`> dpatton !
21:19 < piotr`> help ! =)
21:21 < dpatton> piotr`: yes?
21:21 < piotr`> I did not understand much of all those error messages actually
21:22 < piotr`> first things first : what does "you must have the same number of {n} format specifications in your translated string as in the original message" mean ?
21:22 < piotr`> or do you have an example of what went wrong
21:23 < dpatton> piotr`:  OK, here's an example for the first one, in the PO file there is:
21:23 < dpatton> msgid "Vertical exaggeration out of range: {0}"
21:23 < dpatton> msgstr "Exagération verticale hors limites"
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21:23 < dpatton> This is line 821:  msgid "Vertical exaggeration out of range: {0}"
21:24 < piotr`> ah
21:24 < piotr`> indeed
21:24 < piotr`> I can't believe I paid so little attention to this
21:24 < dpatton> The problem is that the {0} is missing from your translation
21:24 * piotr` slaps self
21:24 < piotr`> yes
21:24 >> #punt JOIN nhv__ (n=nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com)
21:24 < piotr`> hm okay. could you give me all the faulty strings please ? :)
21:25 < piotr`> (or is there a way in poedit to spot those faulty strings)
21:26 < dpatton> in poEdit, on the View menu, turn on line numbers
21:26 < piotr`> haaa
21:27 < piotr`> okay
21:27 < piotr`> let's fixe zisse like we say in paris
21:29 < dpatton> for the "& errors", looks like two of them are OK, but maybe the other ones are menu choices, and should have an &
21:38 < piotr`> okay
21:38 < piotr`> I corrected the lines
21:38 < piotr`> uploading the file
21:39 < piotr`> dpatton : http://pj.piotr.free.fr/wwind/fr-FR.Punt.pot
21:43 < dpatton> down to 2 problems :-)
21:43 < piotr`> lol
21:43 < piotr`> bring it on !
21:43 < piotr`> which problems ?
21:43 < dpatton> the translation for line 50 has {0] instead of {0}
21:44 < piotr`> ok
21:44 < piotr`> (corrected)
21:44 < piotr`> blame the French layout
21:44 < piotr`> have to press AltGr to get the } on the azerty keyboard
21:46 < dpatton> ok, hang on a moment....
21:46 < piotr`> sure
21:49 >> nhv__ is now known as nhv
21:49 < piotr`> actually translating is nothing, the hard part is to understand all this programming stuff :p
21:52 < dpatton> piotr`: in poEdit, load the PO file, then select Catalog, then Settings, and enter values for Team and Team's email address - I'll have to add a note about that to the webpage(leaving the default value causes an error)
21:52 >> SignOff: adamhill_work ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") [#punt]
21:52 < dpatton> So maybe Team = French, and enter your email address
21:53 < piotr`> ok
21:54 < piotr`> and what should I enter in the Project name and version field ?
21:56 < dpatton> actually, that's my mistake - I forgot to fill that in in the POT file - so use Punt 1.4.0 alpha2
21:56 < piotr`> okay
21:57 < piotr`> Translation team : Équipe francophone (which means French-speaking Team)
21:57 < piotr`> email : piotr0r@gmail.com
21:57 < piotr`> anything else while I'm at it ? =)
21:57 * dpatton learns about the process of doing translations from mashi/mazop/piotr, because I only speak English, and therefore don't do translations
21:57 < dpatton> that should be it :-)
21:57 < piotr`> hehe
21:58 < piotr`> like I said to bull, I think I'm a good translator, but I don't know much about programming
21:59 < Nowak> dpatton: It is, im just trying to confuse you :P
22:00 < piotr`> dpatton : http://pj.piotr.free.fr/wwind/fr-FR.Punt.pot
22:00 < dpatton> Nowak: it's more confusing when you answer over 2 hours later ;-)
22:02 >> SignOff: nhv (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#punt]
22:02 >> #punt JOIN nhv__ (n=nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com)
22:02 >> nhv__ is now known as nhv
22:04 < dpatton> piotr`: line 50 isn't fixed, and you should rename your file to end with .po  :-)
22:04 < piotr`> oh sorry for the .po
22:04 < piotr`> k
22:04 < piotr`> SO
22:05 < piotr`> let's do it :)
22:05 < piotr`> http://pj.piotr.free.fr/wwind/fr-FR.Punt.po
22:07 >> SignOff: nhv (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#punt]
22:07 < dpatton> 537 translated messages.
22:07 >> #punt JOIN nhv__ (n=nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com)
22:08 < piotr`> does that mean that it went fine ?
22:08 < dpatton> yes :-)
22:08 < piotr`> \o/
22:09 < piotr`> let me know if there are other things to translate
22:12 < dpatton> piotr`: unzip this file into your Punt \languages directory:  http://punt.sourceforge.net/files/fr.zip
22:12 < dpatton> then when you restart Punt, you should have the choice to select French
22:16 < dpatton> I see one problem - in Place Finder, need more room for one of the labels
22:17 < dpatton> another - default Layer Manager width isn't wide enough for the French title
22:18 < piotr`> gn punt won't start
22:18 < piotr`> well as for the long French Title I'm quite sorry because there is no single word for "layer"
22:19 < dpatton> what do you mean, "Punt won't start"?
22:19 < piotr`> punt doesn't start at all on my machine
22:19 < dpatton> just now?
22:19 < piotr`> it's the first time I run it :)
22:19 < dpatton> OH! :-)
22:20 < dpatton> so what happens when you try and run Punt?
22:21 < piotr`> I double click the icon and nothing happens
22:21 < piotr`> the process punt.exe just stays there for 1 second and disappears from the task manager
22:21 < piotr`> perhaps I need to check my .net framework version
22:22 < dpatton> try clicking on Punt.exe - same thing?
22:22 < piotr`> exact same thing
22:23 < piotr`> rah WWind doesn't start either
22:23 < dpatton> are there DEBUG files in your C:\Documents and Settings\<piotr>\Application Data\Punt\1.4.0 directory?
22:23 < piotr`> what the carabistouille
22:23 < dpatton> oh, then it's not Punt's fault ;-)
22:23 < piotr`> surely not lol
22:23 < piotr`> let's try to find out
22:24 >> #punt JOIN adamhill_work (n=86a3fd7e@70.84.174.194)
22:25 < piotr`> I'll try with a reboot
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22:29 >> #punt JOIN piotr` (n=Jean_FIL@AOrleans-152-1-3-4.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr)
22:29 < piotr`> that kinda sucks
22:29 < piotr`> neither ww nor punt will start
22:30 < piotr`> must have some software glitch somewhere
22:30 < dpatton> :-(
22:31 < dpatton> something you installed since you last ran WW?
22:31 < piotr`> what bothers me is that my windows installation is fresh and WW run fine just a few days ago
22:31 < piotr`> (but it's surely not punt's fault lol)
22:31 < piotr`> well I don't know
22:31 < dpatton> do you have Windows "automatic update" turned on?
22:32 < piotr`> yes
22:32 < dpatton> or maybe you didn't install DirectX?
22:32 < piotr`> it is installed
22:33 < dpatton> You can see your "update history" from the Windows Update webpage, and see what's been installed since you last ran WW
22:35 < adamhill_work> look out for .NET 2.0 getting installed
22:36 < piotr`> you mean I should not have the 2.0 installed ? I should stick to the 1.1 ?
22:36 < adamhill_work> I have both on here (work) and both still work, but I did SDK installs for each
22:37 < adamhill_work> it is just something to look for, .NET supports side by side virtual machines, esp if you are not compiling anything
22:37 < adamhill_work> so you get no errors?
22:38 < piotr`> I have absolutely no error message
22:38 < piotr`> FS9 loads just fine
22:38 < piotr`> and Rhino too
22:39 < piotr`> hm
22:39 < piotr`> I'll investigate on this tomorrow
22:39 < dpatton> OK - good luck
22:39 < piotr`> lol thanks :)
22:40 < adamhill_work> the only combinatorial test I can suggest is the DirectX SDK examples, they come pre-compiled
22:40 < adamhill_work> it is a 200M+ download
22:42 < dpatton> adamhill_work: when Punt(or WW) won't run on someone's PC, it may be because one or more assemblies are missing(e.g. DX not installed) - do you think it's possible to create a C#.Net program that could test for the required assemblies?
22:44 < dpatton> Obviously it would need .Net(or part of it) installed for the program to even work, but I'm wondering if doing something like dynamically loading >net and DX assemblies, one by one, inside a try/catch, would enable pinpointing "what's missing"
22:46 < adamhill_work> easily, you can write a method that uses AssemblyLoad(), like the MashiScript engine uses, to try and load the assemblies, there is already a function in a DLL shipped with the MSI for the .NET Redist that can test for .NET (i think the WW installer already calls it)
22:47 < adamhill_work> there might even be an analog in the MDX Redists to do the same, though you dont know how good either of those are
22:48 < adamhill_work> one thing that you could do is adapt a DX SDK example that uses a few dozen calls to draw a sphere and map one of the included BM bitmaps to it
23:58 >> ShockFire is now known as Oscar
23:58 >> Oscar is now known as ShockFire
--- Log closed Tue Nov 29 00:00:11 2005