--- Log opened Wed Dec 07 00:00:44 2005
00:05 < what_nick> hey dpatton
00:05 < dpatton> what_nick: hello
00:05 < what_nick> what exactly does the auth-ssl plugin u wrote do?
00:06 < what_nick> are u putting it in punt?
00:07 < dpatton> we(mashi and I) never wrote a "auth-ssl plugin" - I said we worked on a plugin and that the next stage of the plugin's development(if it happens) is to get some data in a secure way from the client's server
00:09 < what_nick> mmm ok
00:10 < what_nick> probably will have to do the same a bit for myself ... what about WMS authentication ?
00:13 < dpatton> what about it? It's not something I'm familiar with.
00:21 < what_nick> er WW seems to have an Image Accessor with autheticated WMS  access ...
00:21 < what_nick> check it out ..
00:37 < adamhill_work> i think it is just HTTPAuth infront of the URL
00:38 < what_nick> adam plain ssl works
00:38 < what_nick> but auth ssl does not
00:40 < adamhill_work> do you need a cert installed into the OS?
00:44 < what_nick> actually even auth does not work plain http auth via .htaccess
01:01 >> Bull_[UK] is now known as Bull_[Zzz]
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02:16 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away
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03:15 >> #punt PART nosilleg (n=nosilleg@222-152-179-115.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) ()
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06:20 >> dpatton_away is now known as dpatton
06:23 >> #punt JOIN mazop (n=mazop@212.183.13.231)
06:28 < dpatton> mazop: hi!
06:28 < mazop> g'morning
06:28 < dpatton> 10:30PM here ;-)
06:28 < mazop> 7.30AM here :(
06:29 * mazop too early for doing other things than making/drinking coffee
06:29 < dpatton> Just recently back from having a nice sushi dinner, with Frank W :-)
06:30 < mazop> hmmmm....frank W ...... no idea who this Frank W is ;)
06:30 < mazop> sorry
06:30 < dpatton> caught up on the emails and IRC stuff, so now it's time for some chocolates :-)
06:30 < mazop> but sushi doesn't sound so bad anyway
06:31 < mazop> is it worth to read the logs? if you could tell me that its not worth you help me saving time for drinking coffee ;)
06:31 < dpatton> Frank Warmerdam - author/maintainer for GDAL, Shapelib, Proj.4 etc
06:32 < mazop> ahhhh......hey AHHHH .... good to have contacts in this direction....
06:32 < dpatton> as for logs - not sure - I keep clearing my screen, so I don't even recall what has been said in here earlier today - not much I think
06:34 < mazop> i am kind of ....hmmmmm ....pissed...., because there is nearly no time left for punt/ww for me right now. i think i was blended by money when i signed into this new project....which needs at least 5-8hours a day....grrrr
06:35 < mazop> but anyway. real life needs real money too ;)
06:35 < dpatton> is that the thing you mentioned recently about converting a bunch of files(or something like that)?
06:35 < mazop> not converting, checking/fixing.....
06:37 < mazop> i do that for SIEMENS (german company). they build a big powerplant in saudiarabia and all the detail-planning they let make in inda, because it is cheeper there then here. then they get back the files from india and realize, that it wasnt done in the quality like it would have ben done here.....so i do the fixing of all this plannings/files. its very good payed-but boring....
06:38 < mazop> ...and there is a deathline. so this is also a reason why it is good payed......
06:39 < dpatton> ok - well, bye for now - I'm going to go "convert" some chocolates in a box into food in my stomach :-)
06:39 < mazop> so for the next.....hmmmm.... 2 moth i am covered with work....
06:39 < mazop> hehe
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09:27 < mashi> subzero temperatures at 63 deg. N.. I want to leave the snow and ice
09:29 < mazop> mashi: now it is sure that you move south ?
09:29 < mazop> i mean at least the 500km you have been talking about ....
09:31 < mashi> nope, sadly no new jobs in the south yet
09:32 < mazop> sorry for that
09:36 < mazop> mashi: still in contact with pat ? ... he still writes great plugins, like that one: http://forum.worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/index.php?showtopic=5197
09:39 * nhv thinks it is time to head for 63 Deg South
09:39 < nhv> er to be arriving at 63 Deg S.
09:43 < mashi> Got mail from Patrick Murris yesterday, he is very productive now
09:43 < mashi> 63 deg. S? Nothing but ocean?
09:47 < mazop> mashi....hmmmm.....but snow and ice could be fun too ;)
09:47 < mazop> http://www.dynagis.net/wwdownload/work/temp/le_vol_du_siecle.wmv
09:50 < mashi> CRAZY! :)
09:50 < mashi> I want to live...
09:50 < mazop> you cant get everything in life :-D
09:51 < mashi> mazop: that was you going down that mountain? ;)
09:51 < mazop> no, as you see, i am still alive ;)
09:52 < mazop> i am an old man....only do skiing, no snowbording
09:53 < mashi> of course.. skiing down mountains is completely safe.. :-D
09:57 < nhv> mashi  http://www.hat.net/album/south_america/patagonia/002_tierra_del_fuego/
09:57 < nhv> better  http://www.hat.net/album/south_america/patagonia/
09:58 < mazop> ohhh yeah....Cerro Torro......../me gets sweat on fingers.....
09:58 * mazop dreams about going to patagonia for climbing
10:02 < nhv> but you are right this is 55 Deg S.
10:05 < nhv> http://planet.sr.unh.edu/cgi-bin/mapserv?img.x=439&img.y=446&zoomdir=1&zoomsize=2&layer=moa&layer=grid&imgxy=400+400&imgext=-2725104.140625+1441480.312500+-2347502.578125+1819081.875000&map=..%2FDocuments%2FMOA_DEV%2Fnmoadev.map&savequery=true&program=%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmapserv&map_web_imagepath=%2FLibrary%2FWebServer%2FDocuments%2Ftmp%2F&map_web_imageurl=%2Ftmp%2F&map_web_template=moatp2.html
10:05 < nhv> there is land at -63 though  :-)
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13:52 < dpatton> more reason to go to 63S: http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=-63&lon=-55
13:52 < dpatton> http://planet.sr.unh.edu/cgi-bin/mapserv?img.x=697&img.y=9&zoomdir=1&zoomsize=2&layer=moa&layer=grid&imgxy=400+400&imgext=-2612295.673828+1514168.613281+-2423494.892578+1702969.394531&map=..%2FDocuments%2FMOA_DEV%2Fnmoadev.map&savequery=true&program=%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmapserv&map_web_imagepath=%2FLibrary%2FWebServer%2FDocuments%2Ftmp%2F&map_web_imageurl=%2Ftmp%2F&map_web_template=moatp2.html
13:53 >> SignOff: what_nick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#punt]
14:13 >> #punt JOIN fuul (n=fuul@mail.lueck.de)
14:14 < fuul> hum?
14:14 < mashi> hi fuul!
14:14 < fuul> hey mashi
14:14 < fuul> what's punt?
14:15 < dpatton> fuul: Hi
14:15 < fuul> hey dpatton
14:15 < dpatton> http://punt.sourceforge.net/
14:16 < fuul> ooh :)
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14:16 < fuul> *download*
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14:18 < dpatton> fuul: if you decide you want to help out with working on Punt, let us(me/mashi) know
14:19 < fuul> it's not a question of wanting or not
14:19 < fuul> it's the time i don't have
14:19 < dpatton> fuul: time is an abstract concept invented by humans ;-)
14:19 < dpatton> fuul: by the way - where are you from?
14:21 < fuul> germany
14:21 < mashi> time: "a non-spatial linear continuum wherein events occur in an apparently irreversible order."
14:21 < fuul> irreversible.. true, true
14:21 < mashi> :)
14:22 < dpatton> fuul: if you, or anyone you know, would be interested in doing translations for Punt, let us know
14:22 < fuul> translation to german.. why not
14:23 < dpatton> fuul: German is already done, by mazop :-)
14:23 < fuul> oh ok ;)
14:23 < dpatton> so you can use Punt in German, if you wish :-)
14:24 < dpatton> fuul: did you download the released version of Punt, or CVS HEAD?
14:24 < fuul> of course the release ;)
14:25 < fuul> well.. forgot almonst all that cvs stuff..
14:25 < fuul> brain's shrinking
14:25 < dpatton> the next release should be out "soon", and of course will be better :-)
14:26 < fuul> dpatton: head is preferable?
14:26 < dpatton> fuul: By the way, you're listed in the Credits for Punt ;-)
14:26 < fuul> huh?
14:26 < fuul> for doing sth. in ww that got reverted? ;)
14:26 < dpatton> yep
14:27 < fuul> *fg*
14:27 < dpatton> Unlike in WW, we tried to make sure that everyone who contributed to the codebase was given credit, right in the program(Help > About)
14:27 < fuul> so.. punt starts with an exception
14:28 < adamhill_work> the legacy lives on!
14:28 < fuul> ah. Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX missing
14:28 < dpatton> maybe you only have October 2005 Managed DirectX installed?
14:28 < fuul> yeah ;)
14:28 < adamhill_work> put at least fuul can be assured he did not cause it :)
14:28 < fuul> true! ;)
14:28 < dpatton> the next Punt release will use Oct 2005 MDX
14:29 < mashi> or include it? ;)
14:29 < fuul> one can say it was my fault not installing the latest version oft managed directx ;)
14:29 < fuul> so.. i need the december release?
14:31 < fuul> the app needs a nice error dialog for such problems ;)
14:31 < mashi> btw: only some of fuuls work were undone
14:31 < fuul> starting with an exception is .. not quite the right way ;)
14:31 < mashi> right :)
14:32 < fuul> use Application.ThreadException for that ;)
14:32 < mashi> this happens before the application starts?  think perhaps we need a "punt loader.exe" or something?
14:33 < fuul> mashi: does it? i suppose not
14:33 < dpatton> fuul: download this, and unzip it into the Punt.exe directory:  http://punt.sourceforge.net/files/Punt1.4.0alpha2-MDX.zip
14:34 < mashi> I think so?  .net tries to load all required dlls before calling Main?
14:34 < dpatton> fuul: yes, the MDX problem happens in the CLR, before the Punt code gets executed
14:37 < fuul> mashi: .net loads assemblies when needed
14:38 < dpatton> my to-do list is too long - what we need is an installer for Punt, that detects whether the correct versions of .Net/DX/MDX are installed, and perhaps offers to install them
14:39 < mashi> interesting point fuul, maybe we can solve this by reorganizing the code?
14:39 < dpatton> fuul: a MessageBox in Punt, at the top of all the code in Main, inside a try/catch, never gets displayed if the MDX assemblies are missing
14:39 < fuul> dpatton: hum
14:39 < fuul> The following error(s) occurred:
14:39 < fuul> Punt configuration directory 'C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\d.humpohl\Anwendungsdaten\Punt\Config' could not be found.
14:39 < fuul> bleh ;)
14:40 < dpatton> well, is it there? ;-)
14:40 < fuul> no? ;)
14:40 < fuul> its a folder the wizard told me to use ;)
14:40 < fuul> it could have created it
14:40 < fuul> s/could/should
14:41 < dpatton> If you have WW installed, point Punt at the WW directories, or else download the Punt config/data file, or make a copy of your WW config/data stuff for use with Punt
14:41 < fuul> second start: the wizard pops up again *annoyed* ;)
14:41 * dpatton thinks fuul didn't read the Punt release notes ;-)
14:41 < fuul> dpatton: exactly ;)
14:41 < fuul> thought it was intuitive ;)
14:42 < dpatton> it's on the to-do list to either have Punt create "the missing files", or to provide a better error message
14:43 < fuul> that good old to-do list :)
14:43 < dpatton> the hard part is doing the programming to provide electric shocks to people who run Punt without reading the release notes ;-)
14:43 < fuul> *lol*
14:44 < dpatton> we may be getting a JIRA license, and if that happens, then I would like to see us enter everything on the to-do list into JIRA
14:44 < fuul> omg. it has multithreaded tile-downloadign :)
14:44 < mashi> fuul: welcome to the club, I used exactly the same procedure you did.. run first, read later ;)
14:45 < fuul> mashi: it's like almost everybody does it ;)
14:45 < fuul> try to get as much as possible without reading anything
14:45 < dpatton> fuul: View > Camera > "Free Look" ;-)
14:46 < fuul> hmm. correction. it's not multithreaded?
14:46 < fuul> tiles just seem to have a border
14:47 < dpatton> yes- thanks to mashi, terrain-mapped tile download indicators(imagery and terrain)
14:48 < fuul> free look "feels" nice
14:48 < mashi> fuul: I belive your multithreaded code is still in there.. but not perhaps set to "1"?
14:48 < fuul> *g*
14:49 < fuul> damn navigation ;)
14:50 < fuul> clicking on a point on earth causes the camera to rapidly zoom to somewhere before that point ;)
14:50 < fuul> so that the point i clicked is out of view
14:50 < fuul> i bet it's already in the todo? ;)
14:51 < fuul> what's the big difference between ww and punt?
14:51 < fuul> punt is more recent?
14:51 < dpatton> open development ;-)
14:52 < dpatton> Punt has developers working on it ;-)
14:52 < fuul> yeah.. last time i visited the ww-page it was still 1.3.1 or so ;)
14:53 < fuul> is that screenshot on the punt homepage a fake?
14:53 < dpatton> The next release of Punt will hopefully have almost all features that are in WW 1.3.3.1, except shapefile support, and of course already has other things that WW doesn't have
14:53 < fuul> it shows clouds in the background
14:54 < dpatton> yes - using the Sky and Fog plugin: http://punt.sourceforge.net/plugins.html
14:54 < dpatton> I mean "yes, it's showing clouds", not "yes, it's fake"!
14:55 < fuul> ah, ok ;)
14:55 < fuul> it's noticed in the release notes? :)
14:57 < fuul> oh great. punt can compile csharp
14:57 < mashi> no need for Visual Studio anymore.. just use punt to compile your programs :)
14:58 < Nowak> lol
14:58 < fuul> umm ;)
14:58 < dpatton> if you're going to "play with" Punt, I'd suggest using the CVS HEAD version - it's part of Punt's CVS Policies that HEAD is to be "production quality code"  http://punt.sourceforge.net/cvspolicies.html
14:59 < fuul> wow :)
14:59 < fuul> whoever breaks HEAD gets slapped with dead fish? ;)
15:00 < dpatton> no, you get your CVS access revoked, with no warning or explanation ;-)
15:00 < fuul> that's cruel!
15:01 < dpatton> just kidding!
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15:04 < fuul> that plugin is really nice
15:05 < fuul> rightclicking in the layer manager for properties looks like a hack ;)
15:07 < fuul> looks like it's loading every tile on earth except the one i'm waiting for (and looking at)
15:08 < Nowak> ... so you know where youre looking at
15:08 < fuul> *g*
15:08 < fuul> "it's a feature, not a bug"
15:11 < dpatton> it does keep your attention, doesn't it, waiting for "your tile" - it allows for a longer time with your brain receiving the 'invisible signals' that are hidden in Punt - soon you will feel like sending money to our PayPal accounts ;-)
15:12 < fuul> *g*
15:12 < fuul> that's a good idea for my next project
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16:09 < fuul> night
16:09 >> SignOff: fuul ("Man muss nicht unbedingt verrückt sein, um hier mitzumachen, aber es erleichtert die Sache ungemein.") [#punt]
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17:21 >> Mode #punt "+o dpatton" by ChanServ
17:21 >> Topic change on #punt by dpatton: Meeting in #punt Saturday, December 10, 2005 at 18:00:00 UTC to discuss Punt 1.4.0beta1 release.  http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2005&month=12&day=10&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=0&sort=1
17:22 >> Mode #punt "-o dpatton" by ChanServ
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17:25 >> #punt JOIN mazop (n=mazop@dsl-78-85.utaonline.at)
17:27 < dpatton> mazop: Hi. Did you see the new Topic for this channel when you joined(about the meeting)?
17:27 < mazop> yep....hi dave ;)
17:27 < Bull_[UK]> oo a meeting
17:27 < mazop> hey bull
17:27 < dpatton> mazop: do you think you'll be able to make it, or will you be at _another_ party? ;-)
17:28 < mazop> hmmmmmm /me ...looks into his 'party-dates-book'.....
17:28 < mazop> i think i can make it ;)
17:29 < dpatton> ok, then you're in charge of providing drinks, pizza, and cookies ;-)
17:29 < mazop> ok...but everything will be just virual than
17:29 < mazop> virtual
17:30 < Bull_[UK]> hi mazop, could you help shannon in ww
17:30 < Bull_[UK]> hi dave
17:30 < mazop> he left right now...
17:30 < Bull_[UK]> doh
17:30 < mazop> ahh....and joind again...
17:30 < Bull_[UK]> hehe
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20:50 >> #punt JOIN nelson (n=nelson@rrcs-72-43-17-50.nys.biz.rr.com)
20:51 * nelson is looking for the "this is how you compile Punt" page.
20:52 < dpatton> nelson: do you have Visual Studio?
20:52 < nelson> No.
20:52 < dpatton> nelson: have you ever compiled World Wind?
20:53 < nelson> Not successfully.
20:53 < nelson> In theory I have everything I need, but the CVS HEAD gives me directX errors.
20:53 < dpatton> errors with WW, or with Punt?
20:54 < dpatton> And, what do you have?
20:55 < nelson> Oh, crap, I can't look at it now.  Real Work is running on my Windows machine.  I'll have to get back to you.
20:55 < dpatton> ok, no problem
20:56 < dpatton> have you tried building Punt yet, or were you just looking for info on how to build it?
21:02 < nelson> Step #1:
21:02 < nelson> Step #2:
21:02 < nelson> Step #3:
21:02 < nelson> etc.
21:04 < dpatton> basically the same as for World Wind: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Compiling_the_sources
21:04 < dpatton> Except that the only way I build Punt is using Visual Studio - I don't know if anyone has tried other methods
21:06 < mashi> nelson: grab a copy of Visual Studio C# Express and DirectX SDK, install both, open punt.sln, then press play?
21:07 < mashi> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualcsharp/
21:07 < dpatton> mashi: didn't you say there were build errors using the Express edition?
21:08 < mashi> we fixed them several days ago... ;)  (just some warnings now)
21:09 < mashi> DirectX 9.0 SDK Update - (October 2005): http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=1C8DC451-2DBE-4ECC-8C57-C52EEA50C20A&displaylang=en
21:11 < mashi> maybe DirectX 9.0c Redistributable (October 2005) for Software Developers is enough: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9930EFA6-9F7B-4C8A-AEA2-97DD6AB307A2&displaylang=en (This update includes the DirectX for Managed Code Update from the DirectX 9.0 SDK Update (October 2005).)
21:35 < nelson> I'll give it a try when I can manage to accomplish some Real Work(tm).
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