--- Log opened Mon Jan 02 00:00:06 2006
01:20 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away
01:25 >> Bull_[UK] is now known as Bull_[Zzz]
04:21 >> dpatton_away is now known as dpatton
07:18 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away
08:26 >> #punt JOIN mazop (n=mazop@212.183.13.231)
08:28 * mazop does his first yawn in 2006 :)
12:49 >> SignOff: nhv (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#punt]
12:50 >> #punt JOIN nhv (n=nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com)
12:54 >> SignOff: nhv (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#punt]
12:54 >> #punt JOIN nhv_ (n=nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com)
13:28 >> SignOff: nhv_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#punt]
13:29 >> #punt JOIN nhv_ (n=nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com)
14:03 >> SignOff: nhv_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#punt]
14:51 >> #punt JOIN nhv (n=nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com)
14:57 >> SignOff: nhv (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#punt]
15:08 >> #punt JOIN nhv (n=nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com)
15:10 * mazop hands nhv quickly a strong IRC-glue ;)
15:26 < nhv> he he some was one purpose   http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/01/02/1153244.shtml?tid=201&tid=218
17:05 >> dpatton_away is now known as dpatton
17:06 >> #punt PART mazop (n=mazop@212.183.13.231) ()
17:13 >> Bull_[Zzz] is now known as Bull_[UK]
17:32 * mashi yawns
17:32 < mashi> Is this what were used for the Mars add-on? http://pds-geosciences.wustl.edu/missions/mgs/megdr.html
17:32 < mashi> (Mars Global Surveyor: MOLA MEGDRs)
17:32 < mashi> any chance of a revival?
17:34 < Bull_[UK]> I think Chris is doing an official Mars, so I doubt anyone else will bother :(
19:03 >> #punt JOIN mazop (n=mazop@dsl-148-220.utaonline.at)
19:06 * mazop drinks coffee to prevent yawning :-D
19:13 < mashi> :)
19:16 * nhv thinks mashi is just resting up for the party
19:17 < nhv> but poor mazop seems done in
19:17 < mazop> hehe
19:17 < mazop> i am ok, thanks for your care ;)
19:17 < nhv> :-)
19:19 < mazop> but by driving home from that really nice HNY party, the dynamo in my car broke. i wonder what the meaning of that is ..... ;)
19:19 < mazop> should i slow down this year? less partys ? .....
19:20 < mazop> i am happy, that i dont belive in things like that :-D
19:20 < nhv> I think it means you shoul dstay at the party rather then go home  !
19:20 < adamhill> the universe is telling you that the earth is about to reverse its maginetic field, PREPARE YOURSELF!
19:21 < mazop> hehe .....
19:22 < mazop> basicly it means to: bring 500 Euro to the workshop, to get the fixed car back .....
19:22 * nhv wonders what kind of party it was if mazop could drive at all ......
19:23 < nhv> ouch  500 Euros
19:23 < nhv> for an alternator ?
19:23 < mazop> ohhh....nhv: we had icerain. so everybody was driving like drunken. i didnt stick out ;)
19:24 < nhv> he he
19:24 * mazop looks fro alternator...
19:24 < mazop> ah, it is a dynamo ;)
19:25 * nhv is :-)
19:25 < nhv> funny european names  :-)
19:26 < mazop> in my car the dynamo/alternator is combined with the 'servo-pump' ?
19:27 < nhv> servo-pump   power steering pump  or water pump
19:27 < mazop> power steeering
19:27 < nhv> or do you have one of those hydraulic suspensions like a Citroen
19:27 * nhv drove an ID 19 for years
19:28 < mazop> nhv: btw. european i mean german name for it is LICHTMASCHINE and this meansdirectli translated LIGHT ENGINE  ;)
19:28 < nhv> :-)
19:29 < mazop> its like the nepaly people had no name for a lighter.... so now they call it siply LIGHTERZA - what menas IS FIRE ....
19:30 < mashi> and I thought I wouldn't learn anyhting today..
19:30 < mazop> hey mashi ;)
19:31 < mashi> hey, where's the party?
19:31 < mazop> ahh... seraching for the next party mashi ?
19:31 < mazop> you turned to a party-animal ;)
19:32 < nhv> ah  finally a picture    http://www.cta.a.se/id19.htm
19:33 < mazop> hey ! its the one gets 'pumped up' befor driving ?....
19:33 < nhv> yes
19:33 < nhv> coul ddrive on 3 wheels too
19:34 < mazop> friend of mine is hosting that : http://www.lesamis.co.at/
19:34 < nhv> :-)
19:36 < nhv> ue to be 5 or 6 aquavits  and I would take a wheel off and take the thing for a spin on a dare
19:38 < mazop> but without an alternator - would it drive  :)
19:38 < mazop> i guess YES ..... when the engine runs, it runs ;)
19:38 < nhv> for a while
19:39 < nhv> better in the daytime when you don't need lights
19:39 < nhv> I use to hand crak start this thing all the time when it was cold
19:39 < nhv> as it was only 6 volt battery
19:40 < mazop> had to go today to the workshop at 7am .... was dark and a 20min drive... i also was frigtend about running into the next problem....
19:40 < nhv> people always got a kick out of me standing in a snow bank with a hand crank then watching the thing pump itself up
19:40 < mazop> hehe......
19:41 < nhv> probably never should have sold that car
19:41 < nhv> ah well
19:43 < nhv> he he  thinking about it  I had rebuilt the suspension system  and nevr got the thing quite right so it woul dstand up on one whell at a time  then settle in level after 'shaking' itself a couple of times  :-)
19:43 < nhv> when starting up in the cold
19:43 < nhv> after having st for a while
19:43 < mazop> lol
19:44 < nhv> one had to see it to believe it
19:48 < dpatton> mazop: Hi. I have a question for you, but I have to reboot - back in a few minutes...
19:49 < mazop> ok...
19:49 < mazop> and HI....and HNY dave !
19:52 >> #punt PART dpatton (n=dpatton@S01060011950c1533.vc.shawcable.net) ()
19:56 < nhv> he he here we go again  - WIND GUSTS COULD REACH UP TO 55 TO 60 MPH DURING TUESDAY AS THE STORM INTENSIFIES...
19:59 >> #punt JOIN dpatton (n=dpatton@S01060011950c1533.vc.shawcable.net)
20:00 < nhv> http://www.opc.ncep.noaa.gov/shtml/A_24hrbw.gif
20:01 < nhv> was kind of an eerie red sunrise today
20:02 < dpatton> mazop: at one point you said: "create shortcut" and "copy view" doesn't load the baseimages
20:02 < mazop> right... but didnt had an eye on that... ;)
20:03 < dpatton> I've found the problem - just not sure of how to deal with it - fundamentally there are at least two problems
20:03 < mazop> different locations of the basicimages....in cache i mean....and in data ?
20:03 < dpatton> 1) The method of handling layers in WW, and therefore Punt, should be done differently
20:04 < dpatton> 2) "layer naming" wasn't thought out very well, particularly for BMNG, as multiple layers have the same name
20:05 < dpatton> I've already dealt with one other issue, which was lower case vs upper case, and now have to solve one more issue, dealing with the parent layer of the child layer
20:06 < dpatton> mazop: for mashi/me to try and fix this problem, we need specific instructions of how to reproduce it:
20:06 < dpatton> "when i share the file-system now with WW ...i get problems with my toolbar"
20:07 < mazop> is ok now
20:08 < dpatton> oh, ok, then we fixed the bug ;-)
20:09 < mazop> YOU fixed it if i remember right ;)
20:10 < mazop> you also realized that with the ZoomIt, right ?
20:10 < mazop> every layer was one icon in toolbar.....thought that you fixed it ;)
20:10 < dpatton> nope - neither mashi nor I did a fix for that - we couldn't reproduce it, or even think how it might be caused
20:11 < dpatton> I fixed the Zoomit problem, but that wasn't the same as what you reported, with the "shrunken" toolbar
20:11 < mazop> maybe i fixed it ? messed data on my box ? .... too many parties ?.... ;)
20:11 < dpatton> yes, we figured it was "user error" ;-)
20:12 < mazop> ahhh... the shrunken toolbar....i remember
20:12 < dpatton> I'm going to make an interim POT file today, so translators can get a start on the changes for 1.4.0beta1
20:12 < mazop> hmmm.... i think i showe you that screenshot ?
20:12 < dpatton> yes, we saw the screenshot, but have no idea how to reproduce it
20:13 < dpatton> Also, we have a Japanese translation now for Punt! :-)
20:13 < mazop> oh... thats nice ;)
20:15 < dpatton> I had to install East Asian language support in Windows, so that I could at least try it
20:16 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away
20:45 >> dpatton_away is now known as dpatton
20:47 < dpatton> I'd like to have a discussion about "unique layer names" in #punt-dev in 11 minutes(i.e. the 'top of the hour') - everyone is welcome to participate!
21:48 >> #punt PART mazop (n=mazop@dsl-148-220.utaonline.at) ()
22:40 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away
23:14 >> #punt JOIN TylerM (n=TylerM@66.244.194.174)
23:15 < TylerM> hi guys.  is this the WW fork channel? :)
23:16 * TylerM reads the project web page and see he's in the right place...
23:19 < nhv> mashi   you about  ???
23:20 < nhv> Tyler  I will grab you sometime when I see mashi on
23:20 < TylerM> ok, thanks muchly
23:22 < nhv> see  http://www.mashiharu.com/
23:23 * TylerM starts punt for the first time
23:23 >> dpatton_away is now known as dpatton
23:24 < dpatton> oh no - what will happen now?????? ;-)
23:24 < dpatton> TylerM: I can send you a file, if you would prefer to try Punt with a Japanese interface ;-)
23:25 * TylerM crashes punt for the first time...and quickly downloades a config :)
23:25 < TylerM> dpatton: you're in vancouver right?
23:25 < dpatton> yes
23:26 < TylerM> you in touch with many other like-minded open source geo folks down there?
23:26 < dpatton> no - I'm just "here on my own"
23:27 < TylerM> I have a couple friends up here (Prince George) and a few more in Vancouver...
23:27 < TylerM> we'll have to get together sometime.
23:28 < nhv> oh no I brought another Canuck into the room   :-)
23:28 < dpatton> ok - let's get AutoDesk to pay for a meeting ;-)
23:28 < TylerM> It's tough being leaders... ;)
23:28 < nhv> lol
23:29 * dpatton wonders if Tyler really is Canadian, as the correct expression is "It's tough being leaders eh" ;-)
23:29 < TylerM> Once the GeoCanucks Foundation gets started...we'll invite you aboard
23:29 < TylerM> dpatton: take off!
23:29 < TylerM> eh
23:29 < nhv> dpatton what can you expect of an Eastener
23:30 * nhv ducks
23:30 < dpatton> Orca Bay may not like "GeoCanucks" - sounds too much like "Go Canucks"!
23:30 < dpatton> nhv: true - Tyler IS east of Hope :-)
23:30 < TylerM> nhv: don't expose me - I live -121
23:30 < nhv> was refering to his roots
23:30 < dpatton> or, another way to say it - Tyler is beyond Hope ;-)
23:30 < TylerM> heh
23:31 * TylerM fills his hard drive
23:31 < nhv> Ontario comes to mind
23:31 < nhv> which is of course way North and West of nhv
23:31 < TylerM> see - I've always been in the northwest
23:32 < nhv> ah
23:32 < nhv> sorry
23:32 < nhv> wonder why I thought that you hd migrated
23:33 < dpatton> if you guys find the time, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about the "ULN idea" I raised earlier today in #punt-dev:  http://www.worldwindcentral.com/chat/irclog/punt-dev/2006-01-02.log
23:33 < TylerM> heh
23:34 < TylerM> dpatton: I hadn't heard of punt until a few minutes ago, so I wondered what you were talking about when you announced it on #mapserver...
23:34 < Nowak> dpatton: just use both UUID and name while uuid takes precendence
23:34 < nhv> dpatton  I brought Tyler in to see if we could get mashi interested in building a custom "Punt" application to support some Canadian data
23:34 * dpatton feels left out of the loop
23:35 < nhv> http://maps.timberline.ca/outgoing/vtp/bug2.jpg
23:35 < TylerM> nhv dragged me in here :)
23:35 < nhv> will leave it to Tyler to explain
23:35 < TylerM> that's my screenshot.
23:35 < nhv> but you two might have some common interests re DEMs
23:35 < TylerM> I'm using VTP a lot
23:35 < dpatton> Nowak: UUIDs won't work well for some situations
23:36 < TylerM> but looking for alternative ways to deliver my terrain, etc models to users/
23:36 < Nowak> dpatton: like ?
23:37 < dpatton> Nowak: no real clues for human readability; too long for practical use in Windows Shell Links
23:38 * TylerM votes +1 for human readability
23:38 < Nowak> ive said to use boty uuid and name
23:38 < adamhill> i did make a UUID-like suggestion a loong while back
23:39 < Nowak> + encoding UUID with base64 makes it 22 bytes long
23:39 < Nowak> (or short) :D
23:39 < Nowak> + you can use shorter UUID
23:39 < adamhill> you dont really need a UUID, just 'enough' short strings to make it unique and readable
23:40 < Nowak> adamhill: you cant guarantee uniqueness if its something user can enter
23:40 < adamhill> make up a vocabulary to describe a layer
23:40 < dpatton> I suggested "ShortName" a loong while back
23:40 < adamhill> i know, but it would be the 80% solution
23:41 * nhv suggest a tuple  'shirt-name' + "UUID"
23:41 < nhv> similar to DNS
23:41 < adamhill> central registries for 'things' has pretty much failed except where mandated
23:41 < adamhill> nhv++
23:42 < Nowak> Didnt i say that at the beginning ?
23:42 * nhv just said it in a non-geeky way   :-)
23:42 < adamhill> i was thinking like <SATNAME>+<RESOLUTION>.... add other id's as needed
23:43 < adamhill> in Arc* products you have the exact same problem and they even have a central reigstry (ArcCatalog)
23:43 < adamhill> it just gets worse when users can annotate maps
23:43 < dpatton> Someday, I can see the need for a "ULN", or something similar, as "the masses" get more and more involved with "GIS stuff" - there will be multiple applications on desktops/laptops/pdas/cellphones, and people will want to "send" their current 'view' to friends
23:46 < Nowak> make layerservers ?
23:47 < Nowak> if the user does not have layer with given uuid app asks layerserver for xml with that uuid
23:47 < Nowak> anyone can submit layer to that server
23:47 < Nowak> something like keyservers with pgp
23:52 < nhv> http://purl.org/
23:56 * nhv thanks adoyle of OGC for pointing him at purl.org when nhv asked him about ULN's
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