--- Log opened Tue Jan 03 00:00:51 2006
00:01 < dpatton> I'll have to read up on PURLs - it may not deal with my notion of ULNs - to me, a ULN is more like an EPSG code than a URN
00:02 < nhv> one more   http://www.handle.net/introduction.html
00:03 < nhv> the  problem ass I see it is how do we get 'short-names'  when the system gets popular
00:07 < adamhill> bingo
00:07 < adamhill> what happens when layers can be shapefiles too?
00:07 < nhv> same thing
00:08 < dpatton> yes, a "layer" could be raster or vector
00:08 < nhv> interesting stuff at the 2 links I gave above
00:09 < dpatton> but, not every "layer" would necessarily get a ULN
00:09 < nhv> they are dealing with very similar issues as what I got out of the "ULN" concept
00:09 * nhv nods at not everything
00:09 < nhv> only those things that wanted/deserved persistancy
00:10 < dpatton> yes - from the Handle FAQ - "You need to assign all that digital content unique names, not just identify the objects by their locations"
00:12 < dpatton> There is an immediate problem in Punt(and likely soon to be in WW), so I wanted to raise my ULN idea, to "see what might be out there" - if practical, I'd rather code something that uses, or might be compatible with, existing/future standards
00:15 < adamhill> i can see it working for large datasets that would have to be stable/served from a central location
00:17 * nhv thinks that dpatton should raise these sort of questions on the geowanking list  http://lists.eogeo.org/mailman/listinfo/georss
00:18 < nhv> where there are others hanging out that have pondered over these ideas before
00:19 * dpatton thinks that nhv has too many URIs - time to 'clear the cache' for the start of the new year ;-)
00:19 < nhv> bah  wait till I start tossing out ULN's
00:23 < dpatton> :-)
00:23 < dpatton> and PURls, and Handles!
00:25 < dpatton> How about a Handle that identifies a PURL that identifies a URN that identifies a URI that identifies a URL that identifies an XML file? ;-)
00:25 < nhv> now you are getting it
00:26 < nhv> "human form"  + "machine form"     where + can be anything
00:27 < dpatton> the goal will be to make it soo hard to use any "mapping system" that even though everything will be open source, everyone will need "mapping gurus", so there will still be jobs, even when all the programs and data are free ;-)
00:29 < nhv> you are talking about  'networking gurus'  not "mapping gurus"
00:29 < nhv> not the same thing at all
00:29 < dpatton> people will be so confused they won't know the difference
00:29 < nhv> but mappers won't have a job
00:30 < nhv> just those that can on the scene and 'facncified' the interface to the data
00:31 < nhv> yuk  can't type  need a break  later
00:31 < dpatton> TylerM: mashi is likely asleep, and I have to go do something about food, but I'll probably be around later on today, if you have questions about Punt
00:32 < TylerM> I'm leaving shortly, but may be back on later (aka spatialguru)
00:34 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away
00:37 < TylerM> night all
00:37 >> #punt PART TylerM (n=TylerM@66.244.194.174) ()
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06:15 * mashi yawns.. I missed all the fun
06:22 < mashi> Another option for URI is to just be keep coordinates defining the view in it.. and forget about the state of objects on the globe?
06:23 < mashi> more problems: I don't think it even supports things like standing in a valley looking up at a mountain top?
06:27 < mashi> for more advanced features like adding/activating layers, adding placemarks etc.. we could use a file instead? (look at google kml)
06:28 < mashi> For a normal user it might make sense to have the best imagery available automatically activate as she navigates
07:19 >> #punt JOIN mazop (n=mazop@212.183.13.231)
07:19 < mazop> 'gmorning all
07:20 * mazop oh, a 'filled' log this time ;)
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11:06 < mazop> dave: translation done. 537 strings (0 fuzzy, 0 bad tokens, 0 not translated) ;)  --> check your mailbox :-D
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17:09 < dpatton> re mashi's "Another option for URI is to just be keep coordinates defining the view in it.. and forget about the state of objects on the globe?"
17:11 < dpatton> That's what "Coordinates"(e.g. copy/paste Coordinates) are for - I was talking about a "View", which is Coordinates + 'what you are looking at'
17:24 < mashi> how about File->Save View, outputting an xml containing all data needed to recreate that view from a default install?
17:38 < mashi> put the file on the web, click it and it automatically installs the new "layers"
17:38 < mashi> maybe this is something different than "copy view"
17:41 < Nowak> mashi: layerserver + uuids so you can just copy/paste instead of sending a whole file
17:42 < Nowak> (with export to file as a possiblity)
17:45 < mashi> ok.. so export the layer(s), upload them to layer server, get ids back, edit->copy and send to friend? hmm
17:47 < Nowak> export the layer(s), upload them to layer server is the part done by layer creator
17:47 < mashi> ah.. user selects his new layer and chooses "share with community".. after that it is automatically uploaded?
17:48 < Nowak> or anyone else if he didnt
17:48 < Nowak> something like that
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18:24 < nhv> mashi  you around  ??
18:25 * TylerM feels the current drawing him into deeper water...
18:36 >> #punt JOIN mazop (n=mazop@dsl-156-7.utaonline.at)
18:36 < mazop> dave here ?
18:38 < mazop> mashi here ?
18:39 < mazop> anyone here ? :-D
18:41 < nhv> not me
18:41 < mazop> i am also gone ;)
18:42 * TylerM joins not-here club
18:58 < dpatton_away> nope - I'm just heading outside for 20 minutes
19:02 < mazop> dave: when back, check mail --> fixed .po file (hopefully fixed ;) )
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20:16 < mashi> hi!
20:16 < dpatton> mazop: check your email :-)
20:24 < mazop> dave: are you sure you compiled the right .po ?
20:24 < mazop> --> some strings still english
20:26 < dpatton> I thought so - you sure you're using the correct DLL, and restarted Punt?
20:26 < mazop> yep
20:26 * mazop checking again.... ;)
20:28 < mazop> ups .... "false alarm"....
20:29 < mazop> have so many (too many ? ) Punt-Clones running here
20:35 < mazop> ..... works .... all strings german ;)
20:48 < dpatton> :-)
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--- Log closed Wed Jan 04 00:00:52 2006