--- Log opened Sat Mar 19 00:00:09 2005 00:07 <+Llynix> welp I'm going to bed 00:07 >> SignOff: mi (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 00:10 >> #worldwind JOIN necochen (CNda50632f@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 00:11 >> SignOff: necochen (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 00:17 >> SignOff: nhv ("no reason") [#worldwind] 00:19 >> #worldwind JOIN nhv (~nhv@dsl0-1.cape.com) 00:59 * nhv drops a pin 01:00 < nhv> and hears it hit the floor 01:06 * skittles steps on it and sues for damages 01:17 < nhv> :-) 01:19 < neom> :o 01:20 < skittles> mwah-hah-hah. 01:20 < neom> omfg 01:21 < neom> I've just found a song I've been searching for for like.. 3 years now. 01:21 < neom> whoha. 01:21 < neom> So happy. 01:21 * nhv wonders about the consequences of dropping a pin 01:22 < skittles> what song? 01:22 * neom is listening to Rod Stewart - The Motown song - 8secs of 4m 01:23 < neom> I knew, like.. three words. 01:23 * skittles snicks 01:23 < neom> And I just heard it on the radio. 01:23 < neom> And I was like.. 01:23 < neom> WOOOOOOT. 01:23 < neom> Yah. 01:23 < neom> That means I've now found every song to date that I've been searching for. 01:23 < skittles> wow 01:24 < skittles> nice. 01:24 < skittles> haha...I just found the coolest use of GIF ever. 01:24 < neom> The song before this was Je T'aime Moi Non Plus. 01:24 < neom> Oh? 01:25 < skittles> http://reene.euphoricsoup.com/jiggly.gif 01:25 < neom> .. 01:26 < skittles> seriously. 01:26 < skittles> it's mesmerising. 01:30 >> #worldwind JOIN Reene (nuvem@dialup-ras18-50.eug.or.uspops.net) 01:33 < neom> I can top that. 01:33 < neom> One sec. 01:38 < Reene> Go for it :p 01:41 < neom> I can't find it. :( 01:41 < Reene> i win! 01:55 >> SignOff: skittles (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 02:01 >> #worldwind JOIN Tim_exp (GB50b10065@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 02:01 < Tim_exp> I know this question must be asked lots and lots, but is there anyway of getting more detailed maps of England? 02:09 >> SignOff: Tim_exp (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 02:21 >> #worldwind JOIN BillGordon (GB524513d0@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 02:23 >> SignOff: BillGordon (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 02:52 >> SignOff: Reene (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 02:52 >> #worldwind JOIN Reene (nuvem@dialup-ras18-50.eug.or.uspops.net) 03:02 >> #worldwind JOIN TheBean_Z (~thebean@82-32-107-201.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) 03:05 >> #worldwind JOIN Meilad (~Meilad@219-88-175-37.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 03:05 < Meilad> heya back :D 03:06 < Meilad> yo 03:06 < Meilad> so I read about how it's like $500 and $1500 and free for schools etc 03:07 < Meilad> so what was the conclusion you guys came up with/ 03:44 < Meilad> [PC Stats] - [OS] Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) - [CPU] AMD - 1-AMD , 2086MHz, 256KB (0% Load) - [RAM] 341MB/512MB - [Screen] 1152x864 32bit 03:45 >> #worldwind JOIN flcaro (ES503a02eb@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 03:45 < Meilad> hehe :p 03:48 >> SignOff: flcaro (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 03:52 >> SignOff: Meilad () [#worldwind] 03:52 >> TheBean_Z is now known as TheBean 03:52 < TheBean> Bah, I crashed just after I went to bed 03:53 < TheBean> time to read the logs 03:53 >> Mode #worldwind "+v TheBean" by ChanServ 03:55 >> SignOff: Herrminator ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Mozilla rv:1.8b/20050217]") [#worldwind] 03:59 >> #worldwind JOIN fredfire (~fredfire@80-218-249-125.dclient.hispeed.ch) 04:07 >> #worldwind JOIN Mactabilis (~craig@219-88-167-49.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 04:09 >> #worldwind PART Mactabilis (~craig@219-88-167-49.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) () 04:13 >> #worldwind JOIN Herrminator (herrminato@p5496E38D.dip.t-dialin.net) 04:19 >> #worldwind JOIN ShockFire (~sok@d82205.ktwaalre.nl) 04:19 >> Mode #worldwind "+v ShockFire" by ChanServ 04:21 >> #worldwind JOIN Meilad (~Meilad@219-88-175-37.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 04:22 < Meilad> !google abc 04:22 < Meilad> [Google] #1 ABC.com ( http://abc.go.com/ ) 04:22 < Meilad> [Google] Desc: Official site. Includes behind-the-scenes information, cast biographies, photos, and video clips. 04:22 <+Nowak> ... 04:22 < Meilad> what 04:26 >> #worldwind JOIN zbuffer (FR52434133@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 04:27 < Meilad> woooorllll winddd 04:27 < zbuffer> hello world .. wind! 04:28 < zbuffer> Anyboby knows if it is possible to play a script in worldwind 1.3 ? 04:29 < Meilad> dunno 04:29 < Meilad> i tried looking for the scripts. 04:29 < zbuffer> I managed to build a script but playing gives nothing at all. 04:29 < zbuffer> only "stop script" available in menu 04:29 < Meilad> I was hoping to find one that zoomed in more but then i found out that only America has super zoom 04:29 < zbuffer> yes, with USGS maps 04:30 < Meilad> yea 04:30 < Meilad> but yea i was talking to llynix before and stuff 04:30 < Meilad> cause New zealand - in my region. North shore has GIS 04:30 < Meilad> theres a city council website which you can just chuck a street number in and it picks it up 04:30 < Meilad> aerial shot 04:31 < zbuffer> do you have the link ? 04:32 < Meilad> 1 sec 04:32 < Meilad> http://publicgis.northshorecity.govt.nz/website/Internet/GISInternet/viewer.htm 04:32 >> #worldwind JOIN MIKE (AU3ce72a54@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 04:32 < Meilad> search for 04:32 < Meilad> 25 shakespeare road 04:33 < Meilad> and go map layers -> tick the aerial shot 04:34 < MIKE> HOW DO YOU SEE CARS 04:34 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_Zzz (~TomServo@0-1pool80-57.nas6.pittsfield-township2.mi.us.da.qwest.net) 04:35 >> T_Servo_Zzz is now known as T_Servo 04:35 < T_Servo> morning all 04:35 < Meilad> lol 04:35 < Meilad> you don't really 04:36 < MIKE> WE WANT TO CREATE IMAGES LIKE YOU HAVE IN HOTSPOTS LIKE mc donalds 04:36 < Meilad> lol 04:36 < MIKE> how do we do this and is it possible we are beginners 04:37 < Meilad> dunno man 04:38 < kuriiri> mcdonalds :DDDDDDDDDD 04:44 < T_Servo> all you have to do is just zoom into the area and take a screen shot 04:45 < Meilad> hm 04:45 < Meilad> lucky americans 04:45 < Meilad> have super zoom 04:45 < Meilad> new zealand doesn't :( 04:45 < Meilad> but we have GIS 04:46 < T_Servo> you have just as deatiled imagery.. but because of government red tape and licensing issues.. can't be seen for free or at all 04:46 < Meilad> yea darnit 04:47 < Meilad> its just bit of a hassle with our one cause we have to pick the street number etc 04:47 < Meilad> can't just mov around 04:48 >> SignOff: Herrminator ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Mozilla rv:1.8b/20050217]") [#worldwind] 04:50 <+Nowak> omg, they have even more detailed 04:50 < T_Servo> what nowak? 04:50 <+Nowak> looks like 10cm 04:51 < zbuffer> where ?? 04:51 < T_Servo> that NY data? 04:51 <+Nowak> nz 04:51 <+Puuhis> http://publicgis.northshorecity.govt.nz/website/Internet/GIS 04:51 <+Puuhis> Internet/viewer.htm 04:51 < T_Servo> oh, wow 04:51 <+Puuhis> obs sorry 04:51 <+Puuhis> irssi messed that up 04:51 <+Nowak> yea, sure, blame irssi 04:51 <+Puuhis> http://publicgis.northshorecity.govt.nz/website/Internet/GISInternet/viewer.htm 04:52 <+Puuhis> I had too little window and it was on two rows :| 04:52 < T_Servo> hehe 04:52 < T_Servo> nowak: were you able to get all the NY GIS imagery? 04:52 <+Nowak> still dling 04:52 < T_Servo> hrm... need food... and the kids ate up all my cereal 04:53 < T_Servo> man 04:53 < T_Servo> how much you have then? 04:53 <+Nowak> 30,354,608K bytes in 55470 files 04:53 < T_Servo> impresive 04:53 <+Nowak> thats wavelet compressed ... 04:53 < T_Servo> it looks like NYC was done in just infrared 04:54 <+Nowak> both ir and color 04:54 < T_Servo> actually.. from looking at the site.. they used several methods when doing their image captures 04:54 >> #worldwind JOIN Herrminator (herrminato@p5496FB7B.dip.t-dialin.net) 04:54 < T_Servo> color too? hmm.. I couldn't find the color when I was viewing... but then that viewer wasn't that great 04:55 < T_Servo> need to look where the 1' resolution was done 04:55 <+Nowak> color is 0.3m ir 0.6 04:59 >> #worldwind JOIN Hengen (FI554ceba7@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 04:59 >> #worldwind JOIN Beanie (~thebean@82-32-107-201.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) 04:59 >> SignOff: Hengen (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 04:59 >> SignOff: Beanie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 04:59 >> #worldwind JOIN Hengen (~hahah@GDLXVI.dsl.saunalahti.fi) 05:03 >> #worldwind JOIN nosilleg (NZde98af60@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 05:07 >> SignOff: TheBean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 05:10 >> #worldwind JOIN TheBean (~thebean@82-32-107-201.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) 05:10 < TheBean> Hi de hi 05:10 >> Mode #worldwind "+v TheBean" by ChanServ 05:12 < zbuffer> hi 05:15 <+TheBean> Mmmm 05:15 < T_Servo> dang.. some of the NY coverage is .5 feet 05:15 * TheBean loves the smell of a spring-cleaned forum 05:15 <+TheBean> .5 feet! 05:15 < T_Servo> hehe 05:15 <+TheBean> 15cm 05:16 <+TheBean> I found the problem with my disconnections 05:16 < T_Servo> http://www.nysgis.state.ny.us/orthoprogram/lot4/index.htm 05:16 < T_Servo> "user" error? 05:16 <+TheBean> .....the cable modem's power lead was loose....it was getting knocked by people using the PC....d'oh 05:17 < T_Servo> heh 05:18 <+TheBean> Looks like that NY data is ~40Gb in total 05:19 < T_Servo> nowak has over 30Gb sofar 05:20 < zbuffer> btw where you can get the NY data ? 05:20 <+TheBean> http://www.nysgis.state.ny.us/orthoprogram/lot4/index.htm 05:21 < T_Servo> in a few days.. in WW I hope 05:21 <+TheBean> :/ I'm getting tons of tearing as I zoom around 05:22 < T_Servo> ? 05:22 <+TheBean> Hmm....I installed some more RAM...and the population density addon + another one 05:22 <+TheBean> in WW...the display is tearing...I'll try and get a screenshot 05:22 < T_Servo> ahhh 05:23 <+TheBean> Guess I knocked the graphics card 05:39 <+Nowak> http://blue.xpam.de/l_11370236_06_07200_col_2001.jpeg 05:39 <+Nowak> 0.15m 05:40 <+TheBean> Wow 05:40 <+Puuhis> cool 05:45 <+TheBean> http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=88&var2=0 << wow 05:45 >> #worldwind JOIN dotboy (war@68-232-139-98.chvlva.adelphia.net) 05:45 <+TheBean> That'll be my referenc link for anyone who needs to buy a new graphics card 05:45 >> #worldwind PART dotboy (war@68-232-139-98.chvlva.adelphia.net) () 05:48 >> #worldwind JOIN mazop (~chatzilla@dsl-162-33.utaonline.at) 05:48 < mazop> hi everybody.... 05:49 <+mashi> hi mazop! and everyone! 05:50 <+mashi> mazop: thank you very much for yesterdays add-on! :) 05:50 < mazop> hey mashi !!! did you get the 'tribute' ?? 05:51 <+Nowak> TheBean: not realy usefull, theyre showing teoretic performance 05:51 < mazop> mashi: hehe... 05:51 <+Nowak> My GF2MX400 gets 200Mt/s single, 400Mt/s multi, and theyre saing 800Mt/s 05:52 <+TheBean> I thought they would do benchmarks etc...seems not 05:52 <+TheBean> bah 05:54 <+mashi> mazop! I installed it right away (I was awake till Patrick left yesterday - but too tired to "talk"- 03:30(?) local time 05:54 < mazop> mashi: hehe .... hope this one is motivating you guys.... :) 05:55 <+Nowak> Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on 05:55 <+Nowak> /dev/ad0s1h 85G 74G 4.2G 95% /data 05:55 <+Nowak> wops 05:56 >> SignOff: engmike (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 05:56 >> Herrminator is now known as Herrminator_ 05:58 >> SignOff: nosilleg (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 05:58 < mazop> mashi: see that one.... and you know why i Need the "Opacity Control" ....http://www.dynagis.net/wwdownload/work/layerset.jpg 06:01 >> #worldwind JOIN samirsalih (AUca05b76a@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 06:02 >> SignOff: mazop ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.1/20050223]") [#worldwind] 06:06 >> SignOff: samirsalih (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 06:07 <+mashi> cool mazop! 06:10 * nhv thinks that it sounds as if Chris is working on multiple layer support in WW 06:10 < nhv> and if so mazop's stuff will be easier to do 06:12 >> SignOff: MIKE (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 06:13 >> #worldwind JOIN mike (AU3ce72a54@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 06:14 >> SignOff: mike (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 06:28 >> #worldwind JOIN yan (FR52fc3b86@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 06:28 < yan> hello 06:29 >> SignOff: yan (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 06:34 >> SignOff: Reene (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 06:34 >> #worldwind JOIN Reene (nuvem@dialup-ras18-50.eug.or.uspops.net) 06:34 >> dpatton_away is now known as dpatton 06:37 >> #worldwind JOIN bubbleman (BRc8d70b86@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 06:38 < bubbleman> Hello, can anyone help? 06:38 < T_Servo> ask away 06:39 < bubbleman> Some of the images World Wind is trying to download fail due to error 404 06:40 < T_Servo> that means the images are not on the server to download 06:40 < T_Servo> what image layer? 06:41 >> #worldwind JOIN trala (~dobro@ost1-p100.adsl.dial-up.cz) 06:42 < bubbleman> Is there any way to set another mirror, or something like that? 06:43 < bubbleman> The lag for this chat is incredible... I can see my own messages only about 15 sec after i send it... 06:43 >> SignOff: trala (Client Quit) [#worldwind] 06:43 < T_Servo> are you looking at NLT or WWC LandSat? 06:43 < bubbleman> Image layers 5 and 6, for specific squares on the map. 06:43 < bubbleman> They don't fail for the adjacent squares 06:45 < bubbleman> I tried erasing the images on the cache, but of course it doesn't work, 'cause the images aren't there to be downloaded, right? 06:45 < bubbleman> I was trying WWC Landsat 06:45 < bubbleman> I tried both Visible and Pseudo color 06:46 < T_Servo> ok then.. now we are getting somwwhere 06:47 < T_Servo> WWC is only about 30-40% of the globe. It is not a full coverage of the earth 06:50 >> SignOff: bubbleman (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 06:51 >> Herrminator_ is now known as Herrminator 06:52 >> #worldwind JOIN bubbleman (BRc8d70b86@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 06:52 < bubbleman> T_Servo, are you still there? 06:53 < T_Servo> yea 06:53 < bubbleman> Look, I was trying to check out my University 06:53 < T_Servo> where is it located? 06:53 < bubbleman> The city where it is is perfectly visible, and can be seen real smooth 06:53 < T_Servo> because WWC layers are only 30-40% glober coverage.. mainly of the popular areas 06:54 < bubbleman> Bu it is a little bit north of the town, and it's square is fuzzy, the files for it fail with 404 error 06:54 < bubbleman> It is in Brazil, in the city of Campinas 06:54 < Meilad> LOL 06:54 < Meilad> was nowak downloading the whole of the NZ Gis thing that I linked to? 06:55 < T_Servo> bubble: it may be what you were able to view is all there is 06:55 < bubbleman> I've already seen awesome satelitte pictures of of my University (altough, not through World Wind) 06:55 < T_Servo> meilad: he was finishing up NY's data last I knew 06:55 < Meilad> na na up top 06:55 < Meilad> i was reading 06:55 < Meilad> hes like i'm downloading s 06:55 < Meilad> something 06:56 < Meilad> dunno if he was talking about the one i linke dto but that as the topic at the time 06:56 < bubbleman> Maybe it is so, I guess. The only thing I find strange is that the pictures for the town are ok. 06:56 < Meilad> yea 06:56 < Meilad> our ones MInt 06:57 < bubbleman> Isn't it logical to expect that the pictures of the University should at least have equal quality? 06:57 < T_Servo> in theory yes 06:57 >> #worldwind JOIN btorzyn (USaca0ca99@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 06:57 < bubbleman> I mean, they're probably involved with the whole satellite thing... 06:57 < T_Servo> but those images probably are not on the WWC server 06:57 < T_Servo> WWC was a proxy for the OnEarth/JPL images server. That server got shut off to us in feburary 06:58 >> #worldwind JOIN zaratoustra (FR52e1fc88@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 06:58 < Meilad> ? 06:58 < Meilad> wwc 06:59 < T_Servo> there are two sources of LandSat data 06:59 >> SignOff: zaratoustra (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 06:59 < T_Servo> WWC hosts the older JPL/OnEarth LandSat and NLT which is the same images just processed to be more realistic in color 06:59 < Meilad> ah ye 06:59 >> SignOff: btorzyn (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 07:00 < bubbleman> I see 07:00 < Meilad> ah well 07:00 < T_Servo> nowak is working on ways to get the WWC LandSay up to 100% coverage.. but that will take much time 07:00 < bubbleman> Well, the pics for the NLT are ok, but with that resolution I can't find the University... 07:01 < T_Servo> VLT LandSat is about 70% completed I think 07:01 < T_Servo> NLT is at 30m right now.. once that is done they are going to work on the 15m images 07:01 < T_Servo> WWC is at 15m 07:02 < Meilad> what do you mean 100% 07:02 < Meilad> whole world ? 07:02 < T_Servo> yes 07:02 < Meilad> Lol 07:02 < Meilad> fuck 07:03 < Meilad> how much images has he got so far? 07:03 < T_Servo> on WWC? 07:03 < Meilad> uh yea 07:03 < T_Servo> about 30-40% 07:03 < bubbleman> I'll try to match the picture with actual maps... maybe I'll find the pixels that correspond to the University ;-) 07:03 < Meilad> hm 07:03 < Meilad> so you're saying that when its 100% 07:03 < Meilad> youll be able to zoom 07:03 < Meilad> to a decent amount 07:03 < T_Servo> no 07:03 < Meilad> on any place in the world 07:03 < Meilad> what then 07:04 < T_Servo> when at 100% you can go anywhere on the earth 07:04 < Meilad> what you mean 07:04 < Meilad> can't you already move anywhere round earth 07:04 < T_Servo> whatis up there now is of the most popular locations 07:04 < Meilad> oh. 07:04 < Meilad> well 07:04 < Meilad> you mean 07:04 < T_Servo> like Mt. Fuji, Washington, D.C. 07:04 < Meilad> even small as suburbs? 07:04 < Meilad> ~_~ 07:04 < Meilad> why though 07:04 < Meilad> should spend time on th eimages1 07:05 < Meilad> is that being attempted? 07:05 < Meilad> adding images 07:05 < T_Servo> yes 07:05 < bubbleman> How come New York isn't covered by the USGS Urban Area? 07:05 < T_Servo> takes time and money though 07:05 < T_Servo> bubble: not sure.. but they did it on their own we do know 07:06 < Meilad> hm 07:06 >> SignOff: zbuffer (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 07:06 < T_Servo> nowak should have al the image data by now 07:06 < bubbleman> testing 1 2 3 07:11 < bubbleman> I could match the image of lakes from the map and found the "location" of my University... but it's so small I can't recognize the landmarks 07:14 < bubbleman> In Keyhole, you can pratically see pigeon dropping in NY... 07:14 < T_Servo> keyhole spent a lot of money to be able to get that kind of imagery though 07:15 >> SignOff: TheBean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 07:15 >> T_Servo is now known as T_Servo_Away 07:24 >> SignOff: bubbleman (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 07:25 <+Nowak> oops ! 07:25 <+Nowak> 0.9G left 07:25 <+Nowak> and still downloading 07:25 <+Nowak> that might be a prob ;) 07:25 >> #worldwind JOIN gillesk (~gillesk@p5083983E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 07:26 <+Nowak> well, that IS a prob ;) 07:40 >> #worldwind JOIN TheBean (~thebean@82-32-107-201.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) 07:48 >> Mode #worldwind "+v TheBean" by ChanServ 07:48 <+TheBean> blue skies, shining on me 07:48 <+TheBean> + Eva Cassidy, bring it on 07:48 <+TheBean> Whoo...NLT is flying along 07:54 >> T_Servo_Away is now known as T_Servo 07:55 < T_Servo> .9G huh? sheesh 07:56 >> #worldwind JOIN Herrminator_ (herrminato@p5496EBDF.dip.t-dialin.net) 07:56 <+Nowak> i need to think on on-demand downloading 07:57 <+Nowak> and i need another harddrive ;) 07:57 < T_Servo> hehe 07:57 < T_Servo> is that the NY data? 07:57 <+Nowak> currently 07:58 < T_Servo> I am trying to track down anyone I know that may be able to get us a no-cap hosting location 08:00 >> SignOff: Herrminator_ (Client Quit) [#worldwind] 08:00 >> SignOff: Herrminator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 08:01 <+jessi-nlt> bean, i need one of you around to keep my apartment tidy ;D 08:01 < T_Servo> hehe 08:01 <+Nowak> lol 08:01 < T_Servo> he is a neat freak.. that is for sure 08:02 <+jessi-nlt> my partner's pretty obsessive about cleaning but she does it in spurts... i kind of let things go until i'm so upset i must clean 08:02 < T_Servo> hehe 08:02 < T_Servo> that is about how I am 08:08 >> #worldwind JOIN Herrminator (herrminato@p5496ECDA.dip.t-dialin.net) 08:10 >> #worldwind JOIN sid (GB3efc8012@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 08:13 < sid> how do i use dds images from 1.2e in vs 1.3 08:15 < T_Servo> information you need is in the stickies in the general forum 08:30 <+TheBean> •jessi-nlt• Well, I'm coming to LA for a couple of weeks in the summer, I could fly up and clean for a day :p 08:30 < T_Servo> hehe 08:31 <+TheBean> •T_Servo• MS? 08:31 <+jessi-nlt> i've thought about this a bit and it seems to me that we need a better mechanism for release management. this potentially means better mechanisms for bug nominations from the community, bug tracking in general, code freeze, stability and release timeframes 08:31 <+jessi-nlt> this might include QA which would come with stability/release timeframes 08:31 < T_Servo> hmm 08:31 <+jessi-nlt> thanks, bean, but i'll be a better person if i can do it on my own ;) 08:32 >> #worldwind JOIN engmike (~engmike@hc6526490.dhcp.vt.edu) 08:32 <+jessi-nlt> right now we don't have a haphazard system for release management, which is the source of some concern.. 08:32 < T_Servo> what about running our own BugZilla? 08:33 < engmike> good morning 08:33 <+jessi-nlt> there's a sourceforge issue tracker system already in place 08:33 < T_Servo> good afternoon 08:33 <+jessi-nlt> morning, engmike 08:33 < engmike> ugh, hehe well almost 08:33 < T_Servo> bugzilla is more functional from what I have played with on it 08:33 <+jessi-nlt> but the problem is, can we get everyone to use it. 08:33 <+jessi-nlt> i think bugzilla would be great but the question is who will set it up and maintain it :) 08:34 < nhv> SourceForge has a good bug tracking mechanism 08:34 < engmike> i saw something about new york before 08:34 < nhv> so I don't think just changing to bugzila would really help 08:35 <+jessi-nlt> right, the question is getting everyone to use an issue tracker. 08:36 < nhv> exactly -- in my experience this usually happens later rather then earlier in a projects life cycle 08:36 < nhv> once everyone gets in the habit and realizes it is necessary for effective control 08:39 <+jessi-nlt> this might be an evolution thing. the community wants stuff but NLT is in its groove and doesn't see that much of a need for change. 08:39 <+TheBean> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Status - the first port of call / centralised info page which was discussed last night...majority thought a Wiki is best...so there you go 08:39 <+jessi-nlt> that's just my observation, not a policy statement 08:39 < nhv> yup although having a persuasive project admin can speed up the adoption of 'good practice' :-) 08:40 < engmike> im gonna try and organize the dev part of the front page today 08:40 < engmike> did the end user part last night 08:40 < nhv> thet is great mike 08:40 < nhv> coders are notoriously poor at that sort of thing 08:41 <+jessi-nlt> but once a project grows larger, it becomes hard to coordinate and so issue tracking is in their own interest 08:41 <+jessi-nlt> theoretically 08:42 >> SignOff: sid (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 08:42 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_ (~TomServo@0-1pool81-110.nas6.pittsfield-township2.mi.us.da.qwest.net) 08:43 < engmike> could use some ideas nhv 08:43 < nhv> I agree whole heartily but unfortunately it often isn't until after it becomes painfully obvious that these kind of 'tools' are necessary are they truely adopted 08:43 >> #worldwind JOIN the_real_newbe (DE5549b362@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 08:43 < the_real_newbe> hello 08:43 < engmike> hi noob 08:44 <+jessi-nlt> you're probably right :) 08:44 < the_real_newbe> me?? 08:44 <+jessi-nlt> you too, as well as nhv :) 08:44 < nhv> I am one of the worse offenders :-) 08:45 < T_Servo_> hehe 08:45 >> #worldwind JOIN ker (US445371d2@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 08:46 <+jessi-nlt> nhv, referring to your comment about scientific grade visualizer not being the primary target 08:47 <+jessi-nlt> i think that's a bit complicated. the stated purpose for NLT has been to develop teaching tools for K-12, and so far WW has been an NLT project under NASA Education 08:47 < nhv> understood :-) 08:47 <+jessi-nlt> but all of a sudden, a lot of parties who are not education-related are expressing interest 08:48 <+jessi-nlt> and NLT, while still managed by NASA HQ Education, has attracted the interest of top management at NASA Ames 08:48 < T_Servo_> is that good or bad then? 08:48 <+jessi-nlt> in addition, these outside parties who are not education-related, may pay /exert influence to turn WW into a scientific visualizer 08:49 >> SignOff: ker (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 08:49 <+jessi-nlt> so the question of who is WW's primary audience will/may shift over the coming months. 08:49 <+jessi-nlt> no one really knows what will happen with all these things in play. 08:49 >> #worldwind JOIN ker (~nix@pcp01844602pcs.malvrn01.pa.comcast.net) 08:49 < the_real_newbe> wher can i find a how-to for using WorldWind (sorry 'bout my terrible english, I'm from germany) 08:49 <+jessi-nlt> ultimately, whoever is paying on the NASA end will determine what NASA's primary focus for WW is. 08:49 <+TheBean> http://wiki.worldwindcentral.com 08:49 < T_Servo_> newbi: look arounf wiki.worldwindcentral.com 08:49 <+jessi-nlt> so far it it has been NASA HQ Education. 08:50 <+TheBean> To make it educational the only requirement is addons - look at the Wiki addon for example, and the historical places 08:50 < T_Servo_> needs more than that to make it educatinal though bean 08:50 <+jessi-nlt> there's also a question of how the UI is built, though... what functions are exposed to the user, etc., which is determined by the product's user focus 08:50 < the_real_newbe> thx @ TheBean 08:51 < nhv> jessie this is good news note I have been contributing to WW for several years and have also been pushing for Planetary Viewers in the scientific community for 10 years or so 08:51 < nhv> and am aware of some of the 'issues' involved 08:51 < nhv> albeit I come from the inner space and not the outer space community 08:52 < nhv> Oceanographic vs Space 08:52 <+jessi-nlt> i should also note that NASA Goddard choosing to use WW as its visualization tool for NASA SVS; and the NASA Geospatial Interoperability Office choosing to use NASA WW as its portal tool, expanded WW's focus to be more than just K-12 08:53 < nhv> cool this is news to me 08:53 <+jessi-nlt> none of this was expected really, it just happened 08:53 < engmike> do you have a lot of friends at goddard jessi? 08:53 < nhv> buit isn't Patrick the responsible NASA official for SVS 08:53 < T_Servo_> yea, it has to be good for the "Funding Past Oct. 1" question 08:53 <+jessi-nlt> i don't know anyone at goddard :) 08:54 < engmike> rats :-( 08:54 <+jessi-nlt> SVS got folded into NASA LT after they saw WW and felt it was a great fit for them 08:54 < engmike> wait.. i know someone at goddard! 08:54 < engmike> hehe, i wouldnt mind working there over the summer sometime 08:54 <+jessi-nlt> but also there's a bit of organizational shift happening all around NASA, with projects getting shifted around the NASA field centers 08:55 < nhv> I met with teh SVS team last summer about cooperating on osgPlanet and we came to an understandingt 08:55 < nhv> note they were using OpenSceneGraph and I maintain the Win32 gcc port of that library 08:55 < nhv> so we already had a bit in common 08:56 < nhv> and I had been distributing BMV to several of the core MODIS OceanColor team for their use 08:56 < nhv> which meant we had even more in common 08:57 * jessi-nlt nods 08:57 < nhv> many of us woul dlike to see a common toolkit 08:57 <+jessi-nlt> i don't know if the SVS-WW relationship is an exclusive agreement or not 08:57 <+jessi-nlt> i doubt it is, really 08:57 < nhv> for students lay public and scientists alike 08:57 <+jessi-nlt> but i believe SVS has been folded into NLT, at least part of it 08:58 < nhv> it may have always has been that way at least in terms of funding 08:58 * jessi-nlt cautions that she's privy to some of the discussions but not close to all 08:58 < engmike> dev part of the wiki front page is done 08:58 < nhv> :-) 08:59 <+jessi-nlt> it seems to me that eventually we should all have a meeting with the GIS, earth science, etc. communities 08:59 < nhv> not being part of NASA I don't have that problem 08:59 <+jessi-nlt> because there is a common interest and we should talk about it 09:00 <+Llynix> WW covers a lot of ground 09:00 <+jessi-nlt> but NASA is very concerned about funding, that's really what drives what happens to WW from this end, and any discussion needs to incorporate that 09:00 * Llynix jumps out of lurk mode 09:02 <+jessi-nlt> i should also say i think this has become a much bigger project than any of us ever thought it would become 09:02 <+TheBean> Easily :) 09:02 <+jessi-nlt> so the people you're talking to here at NLT are probably not best-equipped to navigate larger discussions of what WW will become 09:02 < engmike> hi llynix 09:02 <+jessi-nlt> especially as other people at NASA get involved with deciding WW's future 09:02 < nhv> things like this happen when you simulate the 'world' effectively 09:03 * jessi-nlt smiles 09:03 <+jessi-nlt> tempest in a teapot? or whatever 09:03 >> SignOff: the_real_newbe (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 09:04 >> SignOff: T_Servo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 09:04 >> T_Servo_ is now known as T_Servo 09:05 < nhv> It woul dbe great to see folks interested in OpenSource GIS at http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/mum/mtg2005.html 09:08 <+jessi-nlt> i'll forward that on to NLT staff 09:13 < nhv> Note it is probably to late to schedule a WW specific talk or workshop but I am slated to give one of the lightning talks and am planning on using WW as an example of an advanced OGC client application 09:16 <+Llynix> Jessi.. I understand NLT has some antarctica elevation data?? 09:18 >> #worldwind JOIN [1]adamhill (~adamhill@c-24-23-83-155.client.comcast.net) 09:19 <+ShockFire> I think ESA does 09:20 <+Llynix> I thought the antarctica crew sent NLT data.. 09:20 < nhv> a new antartica elevation data set is due to be released this summer along with several visual mosaics 09:21 < nhv> this will be much better then anything available to datw 09:22 < nhv> this will be the culmination of a multi year project headed by http://nsidc.org/ 09:22 >> #worldwind JOIN zbuffer (FR52434133@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 09:22 < ker> apropos antarctica: is that black spot on the geographical south pole there for a purpose or are there no pictures of it? 09:23 <+Llynix> it wasn't in the path of the satalite 09:23 < ker> ok 09:24 <+jessi-nlt> llynix-- i don't know about the antarctica data unfortunately, patrick/chris/randy would know 09:24 < nhv> http://terraweb.wr.usgs.gov/TRS/projects/Antarctica/antdemsr.html 09:25 <+Llynix> well my question would be.. is that data we could have access to? 09:25 <+Llynix> as I heard them talking it was in some wierd elevation models 09:26 < _adam_gfx> jessi-nlt: info like SVS using WW as its visualizer and that we need 1.3.1 for a magazine or two, is one of the facets of non-programmerly communication that we need from Patrick 09:26 < _adam_gfx> it will help us concentrate/write code to further those ends 09:26 < nhv> http://www.nerc-bas.ac.uk/public/magic/add.html 09:26 <+Llynix> we need to do something about WMS/SVS 09:26 < _adam_gfx> the SVS viewer is kinda ugly right now :) 09:26 <+Llynix> to snazz up the interface a little 09:26 <+Llynix> yeah 09:26 < _adam_gfx> jinx 09:27 < nhv> Lynix it is worth waiting for the antartica data set that nsidc.org will be releasing shortly :-) 09:28 < _adam_gfx> I am all for a sideways slideout tab model that is fully hideable 09:28 <+Llynix> nhv I have a feeling it might be the same set.. 09:28 < nhv> no it isn't I have seen it :-) 09:28 <+Llynix> ahh 09:28 <+Llynix> I was just curious.. 09:28 <+Llynix> nowak had asked about the elevation models I think 09:28 >> #worldwind JOIN alan1 (US4328c690@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 09:28 <+jessi-nlt> adam: i hear ya. when i'm here i try to keep the community somewhat informed. as far as patrick is concerned, i have spoken with him about the need for more transparency/dialogue with the community 09:29 < nhv> AFAIK the 2 links I posted are the best of what is publically available now 09:29 < dpatton> jess 09:29 < nhv> the new dataset will be quite a bit better 09:29 < alan1> Greetings all .. 09:30 < nhv> think interpolation from multiple satelite passes 09:30 < _adam_gfx> nhv: could you stick those links on the wiki? 09:31 <+jessi-nlt> patrick writes weekly and semi-weekly reports about what is going on with WW. i can clear those reports for general consumption and post them, and that would be a low-cost method that might help. 09:31 < alan1> I got a newb question if anybody has time to answer.. 09:31 < _adam_gfx> shoot alan1 09:32 < alan1> I'm getting white pics but only over a certian area.. is this because the Image isn't available? or ? 09:32 < _adam_gfx> what dataset do you have selected? 09:32 >> #worldwind JOIN Snuffy (DE5438d9ca@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 09:32 < Snuffy> ej 09:32 < Snuffy> I have a short question 09:32 < Snuffy> where can i see the age of a tile 09:33 < _adam_gfx> Snuffy: you really cant 09:33 < Snuffy> ow 09:33 < Snuffy> ic 09:33 < alan1> data set? i'm using the the usgs 1m ortho.. 09:33 < dpatton> A couple of suggestions: 09:33 < dpatton> 1) 09:33 < _adam_gfx> alan1: where are you looking at? 09:33 < dpatton> So that 'the WW people' know a bit more about each other, 09:33 < dpatton> and us newbies have a better sense of "who does what", 09:33 < dpatton> maybe the people listed on the Wiki could add a few sentences 09:33 < dpatton> about themselves? 09:33 < dpatton> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/People 09:33 < dpatton> 2) 09:33 < dpatton> There's the risk of fragmentation, but it might make some of 09:33 < dpatton> the communications better if #worldind-dev was only used 09:33 < dpatton> for "developer talk", and a new channel #worldwind-admin 09:34 < dpatton> was used to all the 'admin talk' re WW and WWC(and for 09:34 < dpatton> IRC meetings), which would leave #worldwind as the 09:34 < dpatton> "public forum" to direct people to to ask their questions 09:34 >> #worldwind JOIN Bull_[UK] (~bull2x3x1@bull.user.worldwind) 09:34 >> SignOff: adamhill (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 09:34 >> [1]adamhill is now known as adamhill 09:34 <+jessi-nlt> good ideas. i'll add something to wiki/People 09:35 < dpatton> alan1: take a look at the FAQ entry I wrote: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Unofficial_FAQ#How_to_make_use_of_the_USGS_layers 09:35 < _adam_gfx> we need an answer bot 09:35 < nhv> adam_gfx this is a visualization of the ADD bedMap data set Antartica wthout the icesheet http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv/_images/anartica.jpg 09:35 < _adam_gfx> just to remember FAQ URL's for us :) 09:36 < _adam_gfx> cool 09:36 < dpatton> alan1: You can't see the tile dates using WW, but if you look at the same area using Terraserver, you can see when the data was collected 09:36 < dpatton> oops - sorry - those answers were for snuffy 09:37 < Snuffy> ya got it 09:38 < Snuffy> terraserver just works for usa 09:38 < Snuffy> right? 09:40 <+jessi-nlt> engmike, i like what you've done with the wiki, very snazzy 09:41 < Snuffy> what iam looking for is the date when pics of the kilimanjaro were shot / beacause on them you cansee snow but nowadays there shouldn't be snow 09:43 <+jessi-nlt> i don't think we have that information available, snuffy 09:43 < Snuffy> thx :D 09:43 < Snuffy> anyway 09:44 < engmike> thanks jessi, ill do a little each day, once its organized, should be easier to flesh out 09:44 <+jessi-nlt> maybe in a future version of world wind, since it is a very common request 09:44 <+jessi-nlt> i think there's some work on-going at NASA for adding time metadata to tiles 09:45 <+jessi-nlt> awesome engmike, with that kind of discipline you must be aceing your tests! 09:47 < dpatton> Snuffy: it depends on what layer you are using. In general, you can think of the Landsat 7 data as being collected from the late 1990s onwards. 09:47 < alan1> worldwind://goto/world=Earth&lat=46.65866&lon=-123.81555&alt=47240 is what i'm looking at.. 09:48 < alan1> and it is blank just ran thru the Faq and it's blank on serveral of the sats.. 09:48 < engmike> haha yeah right jessi 09:49 < dpatton> Snuffy: for example, the data on the community servers is a partial cache of what's available from the JPL OnEarth website, which indicates it's data is from 1999-2003: http://onearth.jpl.nasa.gov/ 09:50 < _adam_gfx> alan1: you are no hallucinating, there is a white square there 09:50 < _adam_gfx> *not 09:50 >> SignOff: T_Servo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 09:50 < _adam_gfx> jessi: how do we report blank tiles to Terraserver? 09:52 <+jessi-nlt> here's what i work on: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/People 09:52 <+jessi-nlt> adam: let me look it up 09:53 <+jessi-nlt> which dataset are you reporting blank tiles for? 09:53 < dpatton> jessi-nlt: (and others) - are the NLT images actually 30 meters per pixel, or is everyone just using that "round number"? The actual resolutions for the Landsat image bands that I know of are 28.5m for 1-5 and 7, with band 8(panchormatic) being used to pansharpen to 14.25m. 09:54 <+jessi-nlt> i think that's the round number and you are right; but whatever GLCF has, that's what we are using 09:55 <+jessi-nlt> also working on acquiring the source dataset for OnEarth, but that will take some time 09:55 < alan1> thanks adam LOL.. 09:56 >> #worldwind JOIN dotboy (war@68-235-175-151.chvlva.adelphia.net) 09:56 * Bull_[UK] thinks a large stick and a trip to jpl would speed up data aquisition 09:57 < ker> area 51 is a white square, too... only available in low-res color pictures :( 09:57 < dpatton> alan1: this link shows it quite clearly: http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=15&Z=10&X=68&Y=806&W=1 09:57 < _adam_gfx> dpatton: all the bands except the Panchromatic are 30m, which is 15m, Frogblast probably knows definitively (he interned for OnEarth) 10:00 < alan1> Dpatton i still see two tiles on that image that are blank.. :-) is it just in my cache they are blank? 10:01 < ker> alan1: no, there are not pictures for these tiles 10:02 < _adam_gfx> dpatton: for some reason thet are not getting served to WW 10:02 < ker> *no 10:02 < ker> they aren't even on terraserver, so how could they b on ww? 10:02 < dpatton> alan1: if you click on the "info" link on that Terraserver page, you'll see that in fact the blank area covers all or part of 6 tiles 10:03 >> SignOff: alan1 (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 10:03 >> #worldwind JOIN alan1 (US4328c690@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 10:03 < _adam_gfx> so why are they blank? 10:03 < alan1> Woops :-) 6 tiles got it.. 10:05 < alan1> also the USGS Urban area doesn't cover the whole area but just big cities ? is this correct.. 10:05 < ker> not even all big cities... :( 10:05 < ker> (4 example: not NY) 10:05 < dpatton> alan1: check the forums, and/or FAQ 10:05 <+jessi-nlt> dave: i correct myself, it's 30m/15m 10:06 * dpatton wonders where the 28.5/14.25 info I saw was from... 10:06 <+jessi-nlt> maybe this? http://www.geocover.com/gc_ortho/stock_products/stock_scenes.html 10:06 < ker> does anyone know what *.hgt files are? 10:07 < _adam_gfx> alan1: correct, there are ~50, the min reason is cost a few 100sq miles is around 1M dollars when its all said and done 10:07 < engmike> anyone know about using shapefile util? 10:08 < alan1> that's a bit.. Adam .. more then what i have LOL 10:08 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_ (~TomServo@0-1pool80-152.nas6.pittsfield-township2.mi.us.da.qwest.net) 10:08 >> T_Servo_ is now known as T_Servo 10:09 <+jessi-nlt> the specs seem to be here: http://landsat.gsfc.nasa.gov/project/L7_Specifications.html 10:10 < ker> _adam_gfx: that's pretty expensive... but y is that so? once the satellite is in orbit, the costs shouldn't b that high... (i'm totally wrong am i not?) 10:10 < _adam_gfx> ker: USGS is aerial photography 10:11 < ker> oh... ok gotcha 10:12 >> #worldwind JOIN bobforall (US45d2796d@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 10:12 < dpatton> OK, found it - the GeoCover MrSid images available from the NASA ESAD website https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/ are either 28.5 or 14.25 meters per pixel. I believe that GLCF, where the NLT images were sourced, has the same data, therefore wouldn't that make the NLT data 28.5, not 30? 10:13 < nhv> dpatton which part of the projected plane are you measuring at 10:14 >> SignOff: bobforall (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 10:14 < dpatton> nhv: I'm going by the resolution listed inthe metadata files that are provided with the images 10:14 < nhv> right but his is on a tm plane not on the surface of the earth which will vary 10:15 < dpatton> for example: 10:15 < dpatton> from a metadata file for a 1990 image: 10:15 < nhv> jessi gave you the best link for LandSat 10:15 < dpatton> XIncrement 2.8500000000e+01 10:15 < dpatton> YIncrement -2.8500000000e+01 10:15 < dpatton> and from the same file's world file: 10:15 < dpatton> 28.500000000000000 10:15 < dpatton> 0.000000000000000 10:15 < dpatton> 0.000000000000000 10:16 < dpatton> -28.500000000000000 10:16 < dpatton> 235011.000000000000000 10:16 < dpatton> 6099912.000000000000000 10:16 < nhv> I understand but these aren't what NLT is using 10:16 < Bull_[UK]> brb 10:16 >> SignOff: Bull_[UK] ("It all started with Eve") [#worldwind] 10:16 <+Nowak> nhv: nlt ones are 28.5 and 14.25 too 10:16 < nhv> cool 10:16 <+Nowak> s/nlt/glcf/ 10:17 < nhv> but these are being reprojected into LatLon space so this isn't true any more 10:17 < nhv> with what you are getting with WW 10:17 < dpatton> Nowak: Ok, thanks for that - it's what I suspected - just wasn't sure if everyone was "rounding" 10:18 < nhv> 28.5 meter per pixel is also not wat the pixel measures on the surface of the earth 10:19 < dpatton> nhv: I understand what you are saying - I was just wanting to clarify the 30 vs 28.5 issue 10:19 < nhv> it is what is measures in the projected plane that is used for the image 10:19 < nhv> cool 10:20 < dpatton> Isn't it "approximately true" that a "30m/pixel" image with relate to each pixel covering about 30m on the earth? 10:21 < dpatton> will relate 10:21 < nhv> here is the LandSat project page http://landsat.usgs.gov/ 10:21 < nhv> in the North Sout direcion only not necessarily 10:21 < nhv> in the Easr West direction 10:22 < nhv> http://erg.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/factsheets/fs07701.html 10:22 <+Nowak> uhm, downloading from https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/ is a pain 10:23 <+Nowak> i would have to install Xorg + mozilla on the server and click each tile ... 10:23 < dpatton> nhv: I already have a number of L7-related links on my Landsat page: http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/landsat7.html 10:23 < nhv> cool 10:25 < dpatton> Nowak: I only use the NASA ESAD MrSid interface to determine visually what scenes I want. Then I use a bookmark, and just change the URL: https://zulu.ssc.nasa.gov/mrsid/bin/show.pl?client=sid&image=N-10-45_2000.sid 10:25 < dpatton> from there you can access the tarball directly 10:26 < dpatton> but, I think GLCF has the same data, and that you can get via FTP 10:26 <+Nowak> Please use the appropriate download mechanism... 10:26 <+Nowak> Thanks! 10:29 < nhv> note these are not bands 321 but bands 742 ie not visible but false color images 10:30 >> #worldwind JOIN fido (DEd9ec4f6b@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 10:30 < dpatton> http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/landsat7.html#colorcomp 10:30 < fido> i have a problem can someone help me?? 10:30 < fido> with nasa world wimd 10:31 < T_Servo> ask away 10:31 <+Nowak> uhm, they suck then :D 10:31 < fido> i cant connect so server why? 10:31 < nhv> nice page < fyi I am quite familiar with multspec imagery > :-) 10:31 <+Nowak> thought mrsid supports more than 3 band :D 10:32 < T_Servo> fido: are you behind a firewall or proxy? 10:32 < dpatton> mrsid is just a compression method 10:32 < fido> firewall and router 10:32 < dpatton> nhv: you probably know a lot more about it than i do :-) 10:33 < fido> firewall is okay bei it can be that my router bock some ports 10:33 < fido> zblock 10:34 < fido> what a port use this progrem 10:34 < T_Servo> you will have to allow WW to access the networ then 10:34 < T_Servo> it uses port 80 10:34 < T_Servo> but you propbably have "allow programs" 10:35 < fido> port 80 is free 10:36 < fido> but why i cant connect 10:36 < T_Servo> I am not sure.. I don;t have experience with firewall/router setups 10:37 < fido> in my firewall i alload to connect with www 10:38 >> #worldwind JOIN Bull_[UK] (~bull2x3x1@bull.user.worldwind) 10:39 < dpatton> fido: start WW, then use CTRL+H, then zoom in to an area of the world that you know you haven't tried before. What does the download progress window say? 10:41 < fido> prblem connecting to server .... 10:41 < fido> try again in 2 min 10:41 < T_Servo> I think your router is blocking you 10:42 < T_Servo> do you have an option to say what aplications can connect? 10:42 < fido> yes 10:42 >> #worldwind PART dotboy (war@68-235-175-151.chvlva.adelphia.net) () 10:42 < fido> but i dont know if my router blocks 10:42 < T_Servo> make sure WW is in that aproved list then 10:42 < dpatton> fido: what version of WW are you using, and what layer(s) are you using? 10:43 < fido> 1.2e 10:43 < dpatton> fido: use 1.3 - 1.2e isn't supported any more 10:43 < fido> okay thx 10:44 < fido> i try it 10:44 < T_Servo> oh.... 10:44 < dpatton> fido: have you been able to use 1.2e at all? IF not, just delete 1.2e and install 1.3 10:44 < T_Servo> I bet your typing to hit the JPL servers which have blocked WW 10:44 < T_Servo> you should really upgrade to WW 1.3 anyway 10:45 < dpatton> T_Servo: figured it might be somehting simpler than firewall/router issues ;-) 10:45 < fido> okay thx ich download now the new version 10:46 < T_Servo> it still could be... but better to upgrade anyway 10:46 < fido> bye+:-) 10:46 >> SignOff: fido (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 10:50 >> SignOff: ker () [#worldwind] 10:52 >> SignOff: engmike ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") [#worldwind] 10:57 >> gillesk is now known as gillesk_dinner 11:06 >> #worldwind JOIN Japa\ (japa@addr-82-128-212-101.suomi.net) 11:06 >> SignOff: Japa- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 11:08 >> SignOff: zbuffer (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 11:16 >> #worldwind JOIN Japa- (~japa@addr-82-128-208-44.suomi.net) 11:25 >> #worldwind JOIN fool (foo@iD4CC1DCD.versanet.de) 11:26 < fool> hey yo 11:26 < T_Servo> damn fool! ;) 11:26 < fool> gfys ;) 11:26 < T_Servo> reene is still in bed I think 11:27 < fool> you mean since the last time i saw her? ;) 11:27 < T_Servo> who knows with her 11:27 < T_Servo> never seen such an inverted schedule of sleep such as hers 11:27 < fool> *g* 11:28 < fool> yeah.. 11:28 < fool> well, there was a time i was like her ;) 11:28 < T_Servo> same here... then I started working 11:28 < fool> same here ;) 11:28 < T_Servo> use to have insomnia really bad 11:29 < fool> uh 11:29 < fool> i've almost evertime problems to get up in the morning 11:29 < fool> but no insomnia 11:29 < fool> sleeping like a stone 11:29 < T_Servo> hehe 11:29 < T_Servo> 5am is a hard time to wake up 11:30 < fool> 6am is not much better 11:30 < T_Servo> true 11:30 < T_Servo> but I am at work by 6:20 11:30 < T_Servo> beat the traffic in and beat it going home 11:30 < fool> what's your work? 11:30 < T_Servo> data analysis and support 11:31 < fool> and you have to begin so early? 11:31 < T_Servo> I prefer to 11:31 < fool> i see 11:31 < T_Servo> I HATE driving in traffic 11:31 < T_Servo> we have flex time at work 11:32 < fool> i live 5 minutes from work :) 11:32 < T_Servo> that's nice 11:32 < fool> flex times.. that's cool 11:32 < T_Servo> 45 minutes here 11:32 < fool> my flex times are: arrive between 6 an 8 am 11:32 < T_Servo> not bad 11:33 < fool> and stay as long as you want ;) 11:33 < T_Servo> 6 to 9 for me 11:33 < fool> but that's no flex time for me 11:33 < fool> it's a joke.. i will never arrive before 8 am ;) 11:33 < fool> that's absolutely not possible for me 11:34 < fool> i love sleeping too much 11:34 < T_Servo> heh 11:34 >> SignOff: Japa\ (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) [#worldwind] 11:34 < fool> well, that's my personal problem ;) 11:34 * fool eats a mcflurry 11:35 < T_Servo> hehe 11:35 <+ShockFire> you work at a mcdonalds? :P 11:35 < T_Servo> lol 11:35 < fool> ShockFire: it's saturday 8pm 11:35 < fool> i enjoy my free time 11:36 <+ShockFire> I can image working at a mcdonalds on a saterday at 8pm 11:36 < fool> hehe 11:36 <+ShockFire> *imagine 11:36 >> SignOff: alan1 (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 11:36 < fool> no, not mcdonalds 11:36 <+ShockFire> I'd hate it, but the food is good :P 11:37 < fool> administrator and developer in one 11:38 < fool> administrator is just a kind description for "girl for everything" 11:39 < T_Servo> hehe 11:39 < T_Servo> Slave Girl then? 11:40 < fool> um. the german phrase ist "mädchen für alles". i just translated that directly 11:40 >> #worldwind JOIN Japa\ (japa@addr-82-128-208-93.suomi.net) 11:40 <+jessi-nlt> how colorful :) 11:40 < T_Servo> so, is that a yes or no then? 11:40 < fool> ah. it's like gofer or handyman 11:40 <+ShockFire> lol 11:41 <+ShockFire> stop insulting jessi you fool :P 11:41 < fool> T_Servo: sometimes. but i get paid for overtime ;) 11:41 * jessi-nlt can take it, she's tuff (and ruff) 11:41 < fool> wtf? 11:41 < T_Servo> ot is always good 11:42 < fool> ShockFire: i insult jessi? 11:42 <+ShockFire> jessi is an administrator 11:42 < fool> i described my case 11:43 <+ShockFire> but the :P means I was kidding 11:43 < T_Servo> only one way to settle this... mud wrestling 11:43 <+ShockFire> plus I had to use 'you fool' 11:43 <+ShockFire> LOL 11:43 <+jessi-nlt> i administrate in between bouts of mediation and eating burritos 11:44 < fool> hehe 11:44 < fool> ShockFire: :P means a lot in lots of situations 11:45 <+jessi-nlt> mcflurry.... good breakfast, eh? 11:45 < fool> i still don't know you enough to say if it's a joke 11:45 <+jessi-nlt> or lunch, sorry, i'm losing track of time 11:45 < fool> jessi-nlt: not everyone lives in america ;) 11:45 < fool> as i said, it's 8pm here 11:45 < T_Servo> why did you have to mention food? 11:45 <+jessi-nlt> what? really? i will have to correct my atlas 11:45 <+ShockFire> jessi: Chris uses Trillian, do you use it too? 11:45 < fool> T_Servo: you mean, mcdonalds sells food? 11:45 <+jessi-nlt> i had blacked out everything outside of america just for that reason 11:45 >> #worldwind JOIN dotboy (war@68-235-175-151.chvlva.adelphia.net) 11:46 <+jessi-nlt> ;) 11:46 >> SignOff: Japa- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 11:46 >> #worldwind PART dotboy (war@68-235-175-151.chvlva.adelphia.net) () 11:46 <+jessi-nlt> shock, i'm usually averse to online chat... WW is a special case :) 11:46 < T_Servo> to jessi, everyone lives in southern california 11:46 >> #worldwind JOIN dotboy (war@68-235-175-151.chvlva.adelphia.net) 11:46 <+ShockFire> has a nice plugin that tells me it's 11:46 in nasa land 11:47 < fool> hehe 11:47 <+jessi-nlt> i know, shouldn't everyone have In-N-Out Burger where they live? 11:47 >> #worldwind JOIN tommar (PL52a04a8b@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 11:47 < T_Servo> we went over this before jessi :) 11:47 * jessi-nlt knows t_servo has his fast food joint of choice... in addition to the slabs of meat he consumes 11:47 < fool> *yawn* 11:47 < T_Servo> hehe 11:47 < fool> nothing good on tv 11:48 < T_Servo> actully.. it is for their milkshakes 11:48 <+ShockFire> I remember going to NY, I want stuff like dunkin donuts here 11:48 < T_Servo> you want Krispy Kream 11:48 <+ShockFire> I mean we have McDonalds and KFC and that's it 11:49 <+jessi-nlt> what, you want *more* fast food joints? you should read "Fast Food Nation" :) 11:49 < T_Servo> lol 11:50 * jessi-nlt 's assignment for everyone: go outside at least once today 11:50 < T_Servo> been outside twice 11:50 < T_Servo> started the tractor up even 11:50 <+jessi-nlt> gold star for you! 11:50 * nhv biked 10 miles today 11:51 < T_Servo> tomorrow friend from work is coming over and we are gonna weld up a muffler 11:51 * jessi-nlt laughs 11:51 < nhv> to get a dunkin donut and a coffee 11:52 < T_Servo> next year for the nasa people.. I will get them Punzki's 11:52 <+ShockFire> I looked outside.... 11:52 < T_Servo> a 900 calorie donut 11:53 < T_Servo> muddy mess out there right now 11:53 < Bull_[UK]> I opened the curtains 11:53 < T_Servo> and this mud is the next best thing to tar 11:53 >> SignOff: fredfire (" Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") [#worldwind] 11:53 < Bull_[UK]> heh 11:54 >> SignOff: tommar (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 11:54 < T_Servo> a walk through the field and your boots gain 20lbs of weight from the mud.. and it is HARD to get off 11:54 < fool> you own an oil field? ;) 11:55 < T_Servo> I wish 11:55 < T_Servo> 80 acers of farm land around me 11:55 < T_Servo> and the ground is dirt and clay 11:56 < fool> you were from australia? 11:56 < T_Servo> lol 11:56 < T_Servo> no 11:56 < fool> okay. then it was someone else here ;) 11:58 < T_Servo> :) 12:00 < T_Servo> 1545jessi: http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/forums/index.php?showtopic=40&view=findpost&p=10399 12:00 < fool> did i mention i have a milkshake too? 12:01 < T_Servo> yes and your making me hungry 12:02 <+ShockFire> yay! it works: "Mozilla Turboskunk" 12:02 < fool> that was intended ;) 12:02 <+jessi-nlt> patrick needs to read that post 12:03 * jessi-nlt is taking a shower, washing lots of dishes, cleaning the house... 12:03 < T_Servo> My house: worldwind://goto/world=Earth&lat=42.90159&lon=-82.93198&alt=1015 12:03 <+jessi-nlt> not simultaneously 12:03 <+jessi-nlt> but close to it 12:03 < T_Servo> jessi: dishes n the shower does save time 12:04 <+ShockFire> and money 12:04 < T_Servo> true, sell the video tapes of that 12:04 < T_Servo> ;) 12:04 <+ShockFire> (they have these stupid ads on tv that actually suggest doing things like that) 12:06 < T_Servo> hehe 12:06 <+ShockFire> and no, they don't suggest taking pictures 12:09 < T_Servo> property size where I live: 962m x 1210m 12:10 < nhv> 17:29 < patrick-nlt> NLT wants an OSX port so bad my teeth hurt 12:10 < T_Servo> hehe 12:10 < nhv> 17:29 < patrick-nlt> but that is a job for APPLE 12:10 >> gillesk_dinner is now known as gillesk 12:10 < T_Servo> long ass dinner there gillesk 12:11 < gillesk> pffrrt 12:11 < T_Servo> hehe 12:15 < gillesk> I've spent longer than that ... some places count half an hour per course, not 15 minutes per guest, ahem. 12:15 < gillesk> and if you book a table there, you book it for the evening. 12:20 < T_Servo> yea 12:20 < T_Servo> had some co-workers over in europe and that was the one thing.. it wasn't a 45 minute meal.. it was a 3 hour meal 12:21 < T_Servo> that's way too long gor me... 12:23 * jessi-nlt laughs at t_servo 12:24 <+jessi-nlt> half an hour per course?! wow, i want to go to a restaurant like that 12:25 < gillesk> the "allotted time" / kitchen schedule is about 30 minutes - leaving the guest time to rest, and lets them sync things. 12:26 < gillesk> They obviously don't subsist on throughput, though :-) 12:26 * jessi-nlt senses that gilles has experience with "proper" fine dining 12:27 < T_Servo> nothing to do with fine dininng 12:27 < T_Servo> it is how most resturants work in europe 12:27 * gillesk loves good food (and it shows), but couldn't care less about the "chichi" :-) 12:28 <+jessi-nlt> sounds much more leisurely and nice. 12:28 < gillesk> Tom, nah - wouldn't say that. Of course, in a crowded tourist trap on the Champs Elysees, the time may be the same, not by design though :-) 12:29 * T_Servo is making hamburgers for dinner tonight.. my own special recipe 12:30 * gillesk discovered that the fastfood variant does not even come close to North American home-made burgers 12:31 < T_Servo> gillesk: true enough.. and mine ARE the best 12:31 < T_Servo> 1/4lb? bah! 1/3lb? Don;t make me laugh! .. my burgers are 1/2lb and bigger :) 12:32 < T_Servo> ahh! I know what I'll munch on.. some of my homemade garlic pickles 12:33 < T_Servo> whoa! 12:33 < T_Servo> they have gotten stronger 12:34 < dpatton> what's the most you/your "group" has spent for a meal? A few years ago, 5 of us went to a dinner at a really good restaurant here in Vancouver, and the total bill, inc taxes/tip, was $750 12:34 >> #worldwind JOIN ShockFireL (~sok@d82205.ktwaalre.nl) 12:34 < gillesk> I once went to a restaurant for programmers in Vancouver that was really good ;-) 12:34 < T_Servo> damn... they got stronger in taste 12:35 < T_Servo> too much pepper in there 12:35 < dpatton> Montri's? 12:35 * T_Servo eyes start to water 12:35 < gillesk> Nah, the "C" restaurant of course 12:35 < fool> T_Servo: you don't have friends, don't you? ;) 12:35 < gillesk> http://www.crestaurant.com/ 12:35 < fool> or you really hate them ;) 12:35 < T_Servo> huh? 12:35 < dpatton> if you don't like seafood, C isn't for you :-) 12:35 < fool> "garlick pickle".. 12:36 < T_Servo> lol... 12:36 < T_Servo> no, they keep asking me to bring more in 12:36 < T_Servo> made 15 pints last fall.. down to 6 left of my own 12:37 < fool> my girlfriend would kill me if i tasted them ;) 12:37 < T_Servo> these pickles will stay on your breath for hours 12:37 < T_Servo> they are GOOD 12:38 < T_Servo> nothing store made comes close to this bite 12:38 < fool> those you have to eat friday afternoon so you wont harm your fellows ;) 12:39 >> SignOff: Hengen (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 12:39 < fool> i think i'll go to bed now 12:39 < T_Servo> night ya damn fool ;) 12:39 < fool> damn right :) 12:40 < T_Servo> hehe 12:40 >> SignOff: fool ("Em-eukal Hustenbonbons mit Alkohol - nur echt mit Fahne!") [#worldwind] 12:47 >> SignOff: Japa\ () [#worldwind] 12:51 <+TheBean> what's the most you/your "group" has spent for a meal? 12:51 <+TheBean> My family (5) went to the Ritz, London 12:51 <+TheBean> Price? in the "don't ask" category :) 12:51 < T_Servo> hehe 12:52 < Bull_[UK]> wow the exchange rate is sweet right now £5.34 = $10 12:52 <+TheBean> Yup :D 12:52 <+TheBean> http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?amt=1&from=USD&to=GBP&submit=Convert 12:52 < Bull_[UK]> need to buy something off ebay, lol 12:52 < Bull_[UK]> I use ww.xe.net 12:53 < Bull_[UK]> +w 12:53 <+TheBean> I really hope the dollar doesn't suddenly become strong 12:54 < Bull_[UK]> hehe 12:54 < T_Servo> :P 12:54 <+TheBean> Because I've just moved a load of $ to my £ account in the thinking that I'll earn more intrest than in conversions 12:54 <+TheBean> And the dollar's got progressively weaker in the time I've waited 12:58 <+jessi-nlt> us seems to have a 'weak dollar' non-policy, last i checked 13:01 < ShockFireL> $ will keep dropping 13:01 < ShockFireL> good thing I have economics :) 13:02 < T_Servo> hehe 13:03 * T_Servo compares USGS 1-meter and USGS Urban for detroit.. 13:04 < T_Servo> heh, I can see the baseball stadioum before and after 13:08 < dpatton> something to keep in mind for the WW roadmap - the ability to use/compare/overlay layers where the images were collected at different times 13:09 <+jessi-nlt> cmaxwell is working on a rendering engine that z-orders layers with transparency... don't know any more about it than that :) 13:09 < T_Servo> worldwind://goto/world=Earth&lat=42.33940&lon=-83.04851&alt=959&dir=-48.1 13:09 < T_Servo> look there in 1-meter first, then urban 13:10 <+Nowak> jessi-nlt: you dont need to order them unless they have different terrain elevations, and thats not a case 13:11 * jessi-nlt watches nowak's comment go way over her head 13:12 < ShockFireL> layer order doesn't matter when stacking transparent layers 13:12 < ShockFireL> or at least that's what Nowak seems to claim 13:13 <+Nowak> No, you just dont need complex sorting 13:13 <+Nowak> that is, you just define constant order 13:14 <+Nowak> maybe based on dist above surface 13:14 <+Nowak> but this should be thrown away, as its not the right way to deal with it 13:16 < _adam_gfx> WDosgPlanetD :) 13:17 >> #worldwind JOIN SunShine (BG54eea0fb@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 13:18 >> SignOff: SunShine (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 13:23 >> #worldwind JOIN Leg (CA18e2acfe@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 13:23 < Leg> est ce que quelqu'un parle francais? 13:24 < Leg> somebody speak french? 13:24 < Leg> quien es hablas frances? 13:25 < T_Servo> I think the french speakers are away rightnow.. 13:25 < Leg> ok 13:25 < Leg> i have some difficulty to run the world wind program 13:25 < Leg> could you help me? 13:25 < T_Servo> can try 13:25 < T_Servo> what problems you having? 13:26 < Leg> when i double click on the program, a msg box appear : application error 13:26 < T_Servo> hmm 13:26 < T_Servo> version 1.3? 13:27 < Leg> yep 13:27 < T_Servo> ok, is .net 1.1 installed? and DirectX 9.0c? 13:27 < Leg> .net 1.1?? 13:28 < T_Servo> you need Microsoft .Net 1.1 installed 13:29 < Leg> i have XP pro 13:30 < Leg> no sorry 2000 13:38 <+TheBean> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/People mmm, updated 13:38 >> #worldwind JOIN serych (CZc32f7288@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 13:40 < anselm> http://web.archive.org/web/19970605014707/www.mmcorp.com/mmcsite/products/atlas.html 13:42 >> SignOff: serych (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 13:45 <+jessi-nlt> ooh, like your blurb, bean 13:46 <+TheBean> :) 13:47 < T_Servo> lol 13:47 < T_Servo> especially the last bit 13:50 < dpatton> when at university, for a while there was one trick on the trampoline that I could do but some of the other people, who were really much better overall, couldn't do - one guy in particular was really bugged about it, until he managed to do it himself 13:52 < dpatton> the trick was to be bouncing on the tramp, then lay yourself out horizontally in the air, land flat on your back, then rotate yourself along the long axis of your body so you go around twice as you bounce up off the tramp and then land again, on your back :-) 13:53 < T_Servo> not that hard to do :) 13:54 < dpatton> the real trick wasn't doing one revolution - it was making sure you got the second one in, so you didn't land face-first, or be spinning as you came back to the tramp, and scrape your face across the tramp 13:54 < T_Servo> on landing on the ground 13:54 < T_Servo> or 13:55 <+TheBean> That's cool 13:55 <+TheBean> I'm gonna give that a go tomorrow 13:55 < T_Servo> Man Show: What about Girls on Trampolines? 13:56 < dpatton> I could do that trick, but I was never very good at doing front/back flips 13:57 < dpatton> I saw a girl on a trampoline on the local cable TV show yesterday - she's from here, and the world champion - not the same thing as "girls on trampolines"! 13:57 < T_Servo> have you seen the Man Show? 13:57 <+TheBean> Nope 13:57 < T_Servo> when it use to be on.. and at least "interesting" 13:58 <+TheBean> One of my friends is quite a high-ranking British junior trampolinist, I need to show her how it's done some time:p 13:58 < T_Servo> bean: they ended the show with girls in skimpy outfits jumping on trampolines in slow motion 13:58 * T_Servo shakes his head... they made trampolne into a SPORT? 13:59 < T_Servo> that is kinda sad ya know.... 13:59 < adamhill> right next to curling and ribbon freeform :) 13:59 < dpatton> bean - you can order the DVD: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00062IDHY/002-9707811-4295251?v=glance 13:59 < dpatton> curling IS a sport, eh! 14:00 < T_Servo> a sport for drunks 14:01 < T_Servo> bean: updated the People page again 14:04 >> Mode #worldwind "+v adamhill" by ChanServ 14:04 <+TheBean> Curling - aka demon housekeeping - should be banned, but hey, we won a Gold at the Olympics in it some how...I think that's kinda worrying 14:05 <+TheBean> Although, we do teach our women to hoover well 14:05 <+TheBean> Hey...I'm getting that DVD...mmmmm 14:05 < T_Servo> hehe 14:05 < T_Servo> Canadians are the best at curling... but then they don;t have anything better to do all winter 14:06 <+TheBean> A yank that keeps the brits under control ;) 14:06 <+TheBean> *dream to keep us under control :p 14:07 < T_Servo> hehe, thought you would like that 14:07 <+TheBean> And you should put "...older yank" :P 14:07 <+TheBean> Not that you're old, but it sounds funnier :D 14:07 < T_Servo> older than you that is true 14:07 < nhv> Bean what's 'old' to you ? 14:08 <+TheBean> •nhv• Your age minus one :) 14:08 < T_Servo> Danger Will Rbenson, Danger! 14:08 <+TheBean> No, plus one, plus one I mean, honest! 14:08 < nhv> :-) 14:08 < T_Servo> hehe 14:08 <+TheBean> :) 14:09 < T_Servo> not as bad as calling jessi a guy the first time 14:09 <+adamhill> haha 14:09 < nhv> a womans age stops at 30 and a man's age is the same as the ladies company he keeps :-) 14:11 <+TheBean> :( 14:11 <+TheBean> •nhv• Very wise 14:12 <+TheBean> it stops at 30 then goes back down 14:12 <+TheBean> (that's the part you don't let them find out ;) 14:17 <+TheBean> Hmm, World Wind's using 330Mb RAM viewing LA on Urban 14:19 < T_Servo> 107Mb here 14:21 <+adamhill> there is a still a D3D vertex leak I think, or Chris is *really not calling* .Dispose() which is unlikely, there is a spike in the CLR Profiler every time I change layers 14:24 <+TheBean> 450Mb....then again the display is tilted so virtually all of LA is shown at the highest res...that mipmapping concept needs implementing so that less detailed layers are loaded in the distance 14:25 >> SignOff: dotboy () [#worldwind] 14:28 < gillesk> good nite all! 14:29 >> SignOff: gillesk (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") [#worldwind] 14:29 >> #worldwind JOIN Tess (JPdbd16840@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 14:30 <+ShockFire> yeah, tiles and placenames are currently chosen by altitude, while they should be chosen by distance 14:30 >> SignOff: Tess (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 14:31 >> #worldwind JOIN Tesselator (Tesselator@YahooBB219209104064.bbtec.net) 14:32 < Tesselator> Hi all 14:32 < Tesselator> http://www.spinquad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5497 14:32 < Tesselator> :D 14:33 < Tesselator> Awesome Program! 14:34 < ShockFireL> thank you :) 14:34 < Tesselator> I've thought about codding just such a beast so many time myself... 14:34 < Tesselator> but LOD is tuff 14:35 <+TheBean> "This was all smooth scrolling and smooth zooming..." 14:35 < Tesselator> Is 1.3 considered "stable" ? 14:35 <+TheBean> That was mashi :) 14:35 <+TheBean> It's stable, yes, but a beta because there's still a few things which need working out 14:36 <+TheBean> for example the way tiles are downloaded etc 14:36 < ShockFireL> 1.3.1 will be out soon, which will be 'more stable' 14:36 <+TheBean> so it's a "sort-of" beta 14:36 < Tesselator> i c 14:36 <+TheBean> World Wind is a young program constantly in development, so check back every few weeks for updates 14:36 < Tesselator> yup yup! 14:36 < Tesselator> thx 14:37 >> SignOff: ShockFireL ("Leaving") [#worldwind] 14:37 < Tesselator> Are DL tiles catched to disk for "next session" or offline viewing? 14:37 <+TheBean> Yup 14:37 < Tesselator> kewl 14:37 <+TheBean> It needs tweaking though, it currently saves far more than it used to 14:37 <+TheBean> but, it works 14:38 < Tesselator> \(@.@)/ 14:39 <+TheBean> s/used/needs 14:40 < Tesselator> USGE Data seems bugged in some places than I think data "should" be available I get white flat polys. Is this a known factor? My system? or ? 14:40 < Tesselator> USGS 14:40 < T_Servo> 1-meter or urban? 14:41 < Tesselator> sec... 14:41 < dpatton> Tesselator: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Unofficial_FAQ#How_to_make_use_of_the_USGS_layers 14:41 < Tesselator> Urban 14:41 >> SignOff: Snuffy (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 14:42 < T_Servo> urban is only of major city areas, ouside the zone you will get white tiles 14:42 < Tesselator> :( 14:43 < Tesselator> but but but... :D 14:43 < Tesselator> ok... 14:43 * Reene yawns 14:43 < T_Servo> hehe 14:43 < T_Servo> good morning sleepy head 14:44 < Tesselator> Hey didn't NASA or some sector of the space agency just recently remap the whole earth a few years ago? We don't have access to that data yet or? 14:44 >> SignOff: anselm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 14:44 < T_Servo> we have LandSat of the globe 14:44 < Reene> i coulda got up at 10 this morning but i figured a spinal tap wasn't a good thing to wake up to 14:44 < Reene> gotta cleanse my dream palate 14:44 < T_Servo> LOL 14:45 < Tesselator> hehe 14:45 < Bull_[UK]> hi reene 14:45 < T_Servo> and QuickBird imagery of some locations 14:45 >> SignOff: ShockFire () [#worldwind] 14:45 < Reene> hey bull 14:46 < Bull_[UK]> my kitten willow - http://theowl.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/100_2012.JPG 14:46 < Tesselator> any SAT SAR goingto be used in this WW tool? 14:46 < Reene> ! 14:47 < Tesselator> Apature Radar 14:49 < Tesselator> LandSat (is that the new stuff?) seems so low res. are there higher res versions and if so will it be used in/by WW ? 14:49 < Tesselator> :D I know... I ask allot of Qs... Sorry 14:50 < T_Servo> lol 14:50 < T_Servo> LandSat is public domain imagery 14:50 < T_Servo> most of the high res stuff is locked up in expensive licensing 14:51 < Tesselator> o... ic :( 14:51 < Tesselator> bummer 14:51 < T_Servo> yep 14:52 >> SignOff: Meilad (Client Quit) [#worldwind] 14:52 < Tesselator> too bad Urban data isn't world coverage :D 14:52 < T_Servo> check out the SVS and WMS functions.. and Modis 14:53 < Tesselator> SVS ? 14:53 < T_Servo> Scientic Visualization Studio 14:54 < Tesselator> oh right... yes I looked at about 20 ir 30 anims in that 14:55 < Tesselator> not really fun for non science useage... Like looking as lakes, cities, and who was parked where when the image data was recorded 14:55 < Tesselator> :D 14:56 < T_Servo> hehe 15:00 < T_Servo> have you looked at the grand canyon in 3D yet? 15:00 < Tesselator> also some maps do not line up properly... is this a result of the projection mapping used? the map data itself? or a low accuracy? 15:00 < Tesselator> No 15:00 < Tesselator> but I will 15:00 < Tesselator> :D 15:00 < T_Servo> elevation wise? 15:00 < Tesselator> Been flying around Canada 15:00 < Tesselator> and San Beradino 15:01 < Tesselator> Allow Camera Bank you mean 15:01 < Tesselator> ya awesome feature! 15:01 < T_Servo> well, there is also STRM data, elevation of the LandSat and USGS data 15:02 < T_Servo> that's what gives you the 3D views 15:03 < Tesselator> I looked at allot of displacement mapped terrian... which one is using STRM ? 15:05 <+TheBean> All of it 15:05 <+TheBean> That's why everything +/- 60 degrees is flat :( 15:06 <+TheBean> Hey Bull, you're using mIRC + Invision - same here 15:09 <+jessi-nlt> your kitten is sooooo cuuuute! 15:10 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_ (~TomServo@0-2pool44-34.nas6.pittsfield-township2.mi.us.da.qwest.net) 15:12 < Bull_[UK]> hi bean yup :) 15:17 < Tesselator> worldwind://goto/world=Earth&lat=55.93707&lon=-129.98138&alt=10116&dir=-161.6&tilt=53.7 15:17 < Tesselator> :S 15:18 < Tesselator> then fly out to sea.. Awesome!!!! 15:18 < Tesselator> What's the LOC. of some nice parts of the grand canyon? 15:21 >> SignOff: T_Servo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 15:26 >> T_Servo_ is now known as T_Servo 15:26 < Tesselator> also some maps do not line up properly... is this a result of the projection mapping used? the map data itself? or a low accuracy? 15:28 < T_Servo> what layer of data you looking at? 15:29 < Tesselator> all actually 15:30 < Tesselator> need an examplecoord? 15:30 < Tesselator> need an example coord? 15:31 < T_Servo> kinda, but know what layer your looking at helps too 15:31 < Tesselator> well the error is present in ALL the layers 15:31 < T_Servo> hmm 15:31 < Tesselator> or at least the majoruty 15:32 < T_Servo> what are the coords? 15:32 < Tesselator> k, sec.. there are many such places but I know of one.. lemme fly there sec... 15:37 < Tesselator> Hmmm you sure this thing caches :D 15:37 <+Llynix> there are a few bugs there :) 15:38 < Bull_[UK]> caches 2gb by default 15:39 <+Llynix> thanks bull 15:40 <+Llynix> gotta jet :) 15:40 < Bull_[UK]> np ;) 15:40 < Bull_[UK]> cya 15:40 < Tesselator> worldwind://goto/world=Earth&lat=33.99966&lon=-118.48003&alt=1788&dir=90.2&tilt=54.3 in USGS Topo 15:41 < Tesselator> Change to Digital Ortho and also not linned up 15:45 < Tesselator> here's another such place: worldwind://goto/world=Earth&lat=33.43881&lon=-118.50104&alt=1964&dir=-146.2&tilt=38.9 15:46 < Bull_[UK]> whats a good digital camera brand, kodak, canon, fuji and others? 15:47 < T_Servo> no issues with my Fuji.. but it is almost 5 years old 15:47 < T_Servo> going for a Minolta next 15:48 < Tesselator> Cannon #1 Nicon #2 Olympus #3 for 4 to 8mp non-slr types.. IMO 15:48 < Bull_[UK]> cool thanks, looking on ebay for bargains 15:49 < Reene> damn canon 15:49 < Tesselator> whay do you want to spend? 15:49 < Reene> POS 15:49 < Tesselator> what 15:49 < Bull_[UK]> hehe about $50 to $60 shipping will cost $40 15:50 * Reene shakes fist. 15:50 * T_Servo gets a tranc ready for Reene 15:50 * Reene bites T_Servo 15:50 < Tesselator> so you wanna spend less than $100 ? 15:50 * Bull_[UK] hugs Reene. 15:50 < Reene> you know, I'm in windows right now because of this bloody camera :| 15:50 < Reene> canon is evil 15:50 * Bull_[UK] patches T_Servo up with a band-aid (:::::[::::]:::::) "Now you be carefull next time" 15:50 < Reene> it drives people to windows 15:50 * T_Servo bites reene back 15:51 < Bull_[UK]> yup Tesselator 15:51 < Tesselator> Look at Nikon 880 and 885 15:51 < Bull_[UK]> thanks 15:51 < Tesselator> Also Olympur 4040z 15:52 < Bull_[UK]> my current cam is an unbranded pos, lol 15:52 < Tesselator> np 15:52 < Tesselator> hehe 15:52 < Tesselator> I go thu DCs like water 15:53 < Bull_[UK]> :) 15:53 < Tesselator> Currently using the Minolta A200 and A2 (but JUST forthe movies :D 15:54 >> #worldwind JOIN papapump39 (USc646d71e@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 15:54 < T_Servo> I am getting a DiMage Z1 next 15:54 < T_Servo> I can get one for 188$ 15:54 < Tesselator> the $900 A200 movies are about the same quality or better than any MiniDV camcorder in the < $3k range 15:55 >> SignOff: papapump39 (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 16:02 < Tesselator> Steve's Digicam reviews is a good reference site for buyers 16:04 < Tesselator> http://www.steves-digicams.com/hardware_reviews.html 16:06 < Bull_[UK]> cool :) 16:15 < dpatton> here's another site: http://www.dpreview.com/ 16:29 >> #worldwind JOIN dpatton_ (~dpatton@S01060011950c1533.vc.shawcable.net) 16:29 <+TheBean> and www.fredmiranda.com 16:29 <+TheBean> A *lot* of professionals hang around there 16:31 >> SignOff: Llynix ("Lost terminal") [#worldwind] 16:36 >> #worldwind JOIN anselm (~anselm@63.246.154.14) 16:47 >> SignOff: dpatton (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 16:49 <+TheBean> [11:55pm] * Bull_[UK] hugs Reene. 16:49 * TheBean hugs Bull 16:49 < Reene> :o 16:49 <+TheBean> everyone hugs Bull, but the poor soul never gets hugged back 16:49 * Reene hugs bull for good measure 16:50 * T_Servo hugs himself 16:51 <+TheBean> Hehe 16:51 <+TheBean> Hey Reene 16:51 <+TheBean> Oh untidy person 16:51 < Reene> my room is slightly cleaner now, i'll have you know. 16:51 < Reene> and i'm eating jojos. 16:51 < Reene> and you aren't. so neener. 16:52 <+TheBean> But but but, it's 1am here and it's England and it's warm enough to wear shorts 16:52 <+TheBean> Plus I had pizza 16:52 < Reene> I live a few miles from the beauty of a windy Pacific. 16:52 < Reene> i win. 16:53 <+TheBean> Whereabouts are you? 16:53 < Reene> florence. 16:53 * TheBean has no idea where that is 16:53 <+TheBean> :( 16:53 < Reene> oregon 16:53 < Reene> ;D 16:54 <+TheBean> Uhhhhhhh 16:54 < Reene> the congealed hunk of land between california and washington. 16:54 <+TheBean> worldwind://goto/world=Earth&lat=43.98251&lon=-124.09310&alt=90201&dir=-22.5 16:54 <+TheBean> Fear my World Winding skills 16:55 < Reene> i wish i could look at that 16:55 < Reene> but alas 16:55 < T_Servo> hehe 16:58 < Reene> so does it look pretty? 16:58 < T_Servo> hehe 16:59 < Reene> http://reene.euphoricsoup.com/piccies/house_door.jpeg :D 16:59 >> #worldwind JOIN Nowak|DE (nowak@shell.sinuspl.net) 16:59 < Nowak|DE> hmmm 17:00 <+TheBean> Nowak 17:00 <+TheBean> Having probs? 17:00 <+adamhill> has trisan been around lately? 17:00 < Nowak|DE> looks like something messed @ managed 17:00 <+TheBean> •Reene• Interesting...cool door style..umm...yah :D 17:00 * TheBean doesn't have any photos of his door around :( 17:01 < Reene> yeap. 17:01 < Reene> I'm unique like that. 17:01 < Nowak|DE> What was my exit reason ? 17:01 < Reene> I thought it was an artful photo :x 17:02 <+TheBean> +v Nowak is still online 17:03 < Nowak|DE> oh 17:03 < Nowak|DE> didnt notice ;) 17:03 <+TheBean> •Reene• Try it without shadows...perhaps earlier/later, or at night, with the side light on 17:03 < T_Servo> reene: somewhere I have some pics of doors I took in New Mexico 17:03 <+TheBean> I think the side light would work well, casting on to the door and the pot diagonally opposite it. It seems a little to hidden at the moment 17:03 < Reene> I thought the shadow made it look better. 17:04 < Reene> I can do it at night though. 17:04 < Reene> how about this: http://reene.euphoricsoup.com/piccies/house_window.jpeg 17:04 <+TheBean> I got a Galileo thermometer yesterday! 17:05 < T_Servo> interesting pic reene 17:05 >> #worldwind JOIN jessi-nlt_ (~jgan@c-24-5-42-204.client.comcast.net) 17:05 < T_Servo> dishes done now? 17:06 < Reene> i love the thermometers 17:06 < jessi-nlt_> yeah, thanks to me and my housemate... what a team! :) 17:06 < jessi-nlt_> what's up with worldwindcentral? 17:06 < T_Servo> nowak think's it's the host 17:06 < Nowak|DE> Something messed with managed 17:06 <+TheBean> •Nowak• [11:57pm] how'd we get Sexual Healing on there? http://65.75.164.200:7777/ 17:06 < Nowak|DE> i can ping it from cetrain hosts 17:06 <+TheBean> Hey jessi 17:06 < Nowak|DE> and not from others 17:06 < jessi-nlt_> hey bean 17:07 < Nowak|DE> lol 17:07 < jessi-nlt_> hm, okay. hope they figure something out, although it's a weekend 17:07 < Nowak|DE> i need to disable register thing ;) 17:07 < jessi-nlt_> yeah ;) 17:07 <+TheBean> Hehe 17:08 <+TheBean> 9 reserved.above.net (209.133.64.124) 46.786 ms 46.799 ms 46.844 ms 17:08 <+TheBean> 10 * * assertive.managed.com (66.154.102.5) 47.259 ms 17:10 < Nowak|DE> and i think i need better host for wwc www 17:10 < jessi-nlt_> Tracing route to 65.75.164.200 over a maximum of 30 hops 17:10 < jessi-nlt_> 12 12 ms 13 ms 13 ms reserved.above.net [209.133.64.124] 17:10 < jessi-nlt_> 13 11 ms 11 ms 12 ms assertive.managed.com [66.154.102.5] 17:10 < jessi-nlt_> 14 * * * Request timed out. 17:10 < jessi-nlt_> 15 * * * Request timed out. 17:10 <+TheBean> Ditto 17:11 < Nowak|DE> 13 assertive.managed.com (66.154.102.5) 166.073 ms 166.116 ms 166.086 ms 17:11 < Nowak|DE> 14 66.79.175.2 (66.79.175.2) 166.739 ms 205.558 ms 166.626 ms 17:11 < Nowak|DE> 15 65.75.164.200 (65.75.164.200) 165.857 ms 165.922 ms 166.105 ms 17:11 < Nowak|DE> from host in germany, only one that works ... 17:11 <+Overand> So why the hell is 'tracert' on windows *so* much slower than 'traceroute' on linux? 17:11 < jessi-nlt_> heard of any good server deals lately? :) 17:12 <+Overand> As far as I can tell the windows one isn't doing anything the linux one doesn't do 17:12 <+TheBean> Nothing too exciting, jessi :( 17:12 < jessi-nlt_> didn't notice, overand... did you turn off dns lookups? 17:12 < Nowak|DE> theplanet, but their not cheap 17:12 <+TheBean> Perhaps managed are fighting off a DDoS attack 17:12 <+TheBean> Or, more likely, one of their inbound carriers died...but I've no idea on what they use 17:13 < jessi-nlt_> could be some cut fibers too, from an overzealous construction crew 17:13 <+TheBean> Some idiot pulled the Big Red Button at LJ's datacente the other month, heh 17:13 < jessi-nlt_> they have a peering relationship at above.net... but we're getting to managed's router 17:13 <+Overand> want me to try to reach a server from my box at servepath? 17:14 <+Overand> they've got connections to a lot of carriers, and isn't managed in the same general area? 17:14 < jessi-nlt_> above.net's in san jose, i think managed is in santa clara? 17:14 <+TheBean> Yeah..I went via abovenet too....but Nowak hit the same router as us...so they could be nulling vast ranges for some reason 17:15 < Nowak|DE> still getting some hits on apache too 17:15 < Nowak|DE> 8 / sec :D 17:15 <+TheBean> ThePlanet is in Dallas with connections to...practically everyone 17:15 < jessi-nlt_> hm 17:15 < jessi-nlt_> also, managed's website is working fine 17:15 < Nowak|DE> not here 17:15 < jessi-nlt_> they're in san jose 17:15 <+TheBean> I'd hope their site is independent of their commercial network 17:16 * jessi-nlt_ smiles 17:16 >> #worldwind JOIN Herrminator_ (herrminato@p5496E108.dip.t-dialin.net) 17:16 < Nowak|DE> its loading like 10bytes / sec 17:17 < jessi-nlt_> their NOC was "Built by the founding members of AboveNet Communications" (http://www.managed.net/network.htm)... hence the peering relationship 17:17 < jessi-nlt_> or provider relationship 17:17 <+TheBean> The site is loading extremely slowly here 17:17 <+TheBean> DDoS :) 17:17 < jessi-nlt_> ditto 17:17 < Nowak|DE> anyone can check http://forum.managed.com/ ? 17:18 < jessi-nlt_> checking, loading slowly 17:18 <+TheBean> Or perhaps a disgruntled employee's brought in a van load of 400Gb USB2 drives 17:18 <+TheBean> Loading slowly here too 17:18 <+TheBean> They need border router MRTG graphs like theplanet show people 17:18 < Nowak|DE> 5min and i got top part ;) 17:19 < jessi-nlt_> :) 17:19 < Bull_[UK]> ok I'm off, thanks for the hugs bean and reene 17:19 >> SignOff: Bull_[UK] ("It all started with Eve") [#worldwind] 17:19 <+TheBean> Hehe 17:20 >> SignOff: Nowak|DE ("Changing server") [#worldwind] 17:20 >> #worldwind JOIN Nowak|DE (nowak@shell.sinuspl.net) 17:20 * jessi-nlt_ should have used lynx 17:20 < T_Servo> lol 17:20 >> SignOff: jessi-nlt_ () [#worldwind] 17:21 <+Overand> heh 17:21 < T_Servo> I keep digging around for a host we can get in on for free or cheap 17:21 >> SignOff: dpatton_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.1/20050225]") [#worldwind] 17:22 >> #worldwind JOIN jessi-nlt_ (~jessi@c-24-5-42-204.client.comcast.net) 17:22 <+TheBean> I keep digging around for a host we can get in on for free or cheap 17:22 <+TheBean> Terraserver must have some spare capacity :D 17:23 < jessi-nlt_> what was that host you mentioned earlier? theplanet? 17:23 < Nowak|DE> yes 17:24 <+TheBean> I use them - they're very good 17:24 < T_Servo> how much to run our own T1 I wonder 17:24 < jessi-nlt_> suddenly forum.managed.com has sped up 17:24 <+TheBean> Quite accomodating too, if you've got weight. They setup 500 servers in 5hrs for a large corporate order 17:24 < jessi-nlt_> no mention of the outage 17:24 >> #worldwind JOIN dpatton (~dpatton@S01060011950c1533.vc.shawcable.net) 17:25 * jessi-nlt_ jaw drops. 17:25 <+adamhill> all hail Ghost :) 17:25 < Nowak|DE> the only prob is their prices start at $200 / month :D 17:26 < dpatton> just had to reboot - what URL(s) need checking? I can get to www.managed.com but it's real slow to load 17:26 <+TheBean> if jessi/Nowak gave me some info, I could post on webhostingtalk.com...you never know, all the hosts there, some may be able to provide.....people like theplanet also read occassionally 17:27 <+TheBean> Of course they'd want something in return though. Bah 17:27 < jessi-nlt_> apparently no mention of the outage on forum.managed.com 17:27 <+TheBean> •dpatton• http://forums.managed.com 17:27 <+Nowak> im back 17:27 < T_Servo> we will offre them you as payment bean 17:27 <+Nowak> uhh 17:27 <+adamhill> does theplanet just rent space + ethernet? 17:27 <+TheBean> and a tracert of 65.75.164.200 17:27 <+TheBean> •adamhill• They do colo as well as dedicated servers 17:28 < jessi-nlt_> good idea, thebean 17:28 <+TheBean> •T_Servo• Sure - they'll be glad to get rid of me, I've made enough phone calls at 5am :p 17:28 <+adamhill> if they are in Dallas they are 10 minutes from me 17:28 <+adamhill> i could stick some boxes in there 17:28 >> #worldwind JOIN jazzmann2 (USc64c7521@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 17:28 <+Nowak> rented server price < colo price 17:28 <+TheBean> They're expensive though, and it'd need the weight of NASA to get anything worthwhile from them....I'm not sure if they're into pleading/advertising, but you never know 17:29 < jessi-nlt_> what, theplanet? 17:29 < jazzmann2> Hello, im completely new, as of right now to World Wind. Can you get live pictures? 17:29 <+TheBean> Nope 17:29 <+TheBean> Although, MODIS is near-real-time 17:29 <+TheBean> but that's not imagery as such 17:29 < jazzmann2> What is there that is "cool" about the program 17:29 < jazzmann2> as i zoom in on any area, its super blurry 17:30 < dpatton> I can reach forums.managed.com but there is no data being sent to the browser - tracert to 65.75.164.200 works OK 17:30 < T_Servo> Fractional T1's starting at $289 17:30 <+TheBean> I guess it's not loading 17:30 < T_Servo> Full T1's starting at $459 17:30 < jazzmann2> Bean, how do i fix that? 17:30 <+TheBean> a T1 wouldn't be enough, that's only 1.5mbit/sec isn't it? 17:30 < jazzmann2> and, are there updates that i could possibly need? 17:30 < jessi-nlt_> nowak: outage seems to be gone from my end 17:30 <+TheBean> •jazzmann2• http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/forums/index.php?showtopic=1596 17:31 >> SignOff: Nowak|DE ("leaving") [#worldwind] 17:31 <+TheBean> Forums loading fine here now 17:31 < jazzmann2> Okay, Ctrl-H is DLing some thigns 17:31 < dpatton> jazzmann2: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Unofficial_FAQ#How_to_make_use_of_the_USGS_layers 17:32 < dpatton> Nowak: is shared hosting an option? 17:33 <+TheBean> Scheduled Maintenance 17:33 <+TheBean> Please expect up to an hour of downtime today which will affect the whole network anywhere from 1:00 - 6:00 PM. PST for network maintenance and upgrade. Thank you. 17:33 <+Nowak> dpatton: no way 17:33 <+TheBean> •dpatton• If it was, we'd be hosting him already - it just uses too much bandwidth...on a single server it'd amount to 20mbit+ 17:34 <+jessi-nlt> why between 1 and 6pm PST? 17:34 >> SignOff: Herrminator (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 17:34 <+jessi-nlt> that was a rhetorical question 17:34 < jazzmann2> So, what exactly is it DLing when i press Ctrl-H? 17:34 <+jessi-nlt> jazzmann2: elevation data and imagery 17:34 <+TheBean> •jazzmann2• Imagery 17:34 <+TheBean> Where are you browsing? 17:35 <+TheBean> Also, World Wind sometimes takes a while to download what's actually on your screen 17:35 >> SignOff: jessi-nlt_ () [#worldwind] 17:35 <+TheBean> additionally Landsat7 becomes blurry after ~15km 17:35 < jazzmann2> Oh, so theres no real way to zoom in close on things? 17:35 < T_Servo> not outside the US 17:35 < jazzmann2> Im sorry im asking so many questions, this seems like a very cool program 17:35 <+adamhill> only in the US 17:35 < jazzmann2> Yea, im trying in the US 17:36 <+adamhill> switch to USGS 1m 17:36 < T_Servo> unless you look at one of the 3 quickbird locations 17:36 < jazzmann2> quickbird? 17:36 <+jessi-nlt> jazzmann2: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Unofficial_FAQ#Why_is_.3Cinsert_geographic_location..3E_fuzzy.3F 17:36 <+TheBean> Don't worry about asking questions...we know them off by heart...myself and T_Servo - look at our post counts on the forums and guess how we got so high :) 17:37 < T_Servo> hehe 17:37 < T_Servo> we BS 17:37 * jessi-nlt couldn't even tell ;) 17:37 < T_Servo> :P 17:37 * T_Servo remembers the day bean called jessi a guy 17:37 <+Nowak> :D 17:37 <+jessi-nlt> you guys should get out more 17:38 < T_Servo> fresh air makes me sleepy 17:38 < dpatton> Nowak: was wondering if hosting of any part of the WW-related data, etc could be done at ibiblio - that's where the DCP is hosted 17:38 <+jessi-nlt> it was pretty today, after the rain 17:38 <+TheBean> [1:41am] we BS 17:39 < dpatton> it's still raining here: http://www.katkam.ca/ http://www.jericho.ca/webcam/webcam.html 17:39 <+jessi-nlt> are your classes all done with, bean? 17:39 <+TheBean> Yup :) 17:39 <+jessi-nlt> oh that's right, you're in vancouver.... gorgeous city 17:39 <+jessi-nlt> gorgeous food 17:39 < T_Servo> it's trying to decie if it is going to rain, freezing rain or snow 17:39 < jazzmann2> Man, i guess i have a lot of learning to do on this prog. I cant figure anything out! lol 17:39 * jessi-nlt has fond memories of Hong Kong-style dim sum in Vancouver 17:40 < dpatton> it's all a matter of elevation tom ;-) 17:40 <+TheBean> •jazzmann2• http://wiki.worldwindcentral.com 17:40 < T_Servo> not relly 17:40 < T_Servo> it is a matter of what side of the road are you standing on 17:40 * dpatton is getting really hungry... 17:40 < T_Servo> no elevations here really 17:40 < T_Servo> between the house and work.. can vary as much as 20deg sometimes 17:40 <+TheBean> I didn't so much call jessi a guy, I rather just didn't explicity state she was a lady...umm..am I digging deeper? :( 17:40 < mazzanet> some people shouldn't be allowed to work in food retail 17:41 < T_Servo> hehe 17:41 < mazzanet> some chick in wendys took the lid off the blender 17:41 * T_Servo hands bean a shovel 17:41 < mazzanet> with the freaking blender turned on 17:41 < T_Servo> lol 17:41 <+jessi-nlt> ibiblio looks pretty cool, i wonder how much bandwidth they have 17:41 < mazzanet> covered her and anyone/everything in a 2m radius with choc milkshake 17:42 <+adamhill> dpatton: are they app server phobic? 17:42 < jazzmann2> how long did it take you all to learn it? 17:42 < T_Servo> mazzanet: was at a wendys this summer and the girl behind the counter was braless.. and had her polo unbottoned.. so each time she beant over.. she gave everyone ordering food a free "treat" 17:42 < T_Servo> jazzman: 2 minutes :) 17:42 < jazzmann2> and what would you say is the coolest part of the prog.? Im trying to decide whether or not to invest my time learning it 17:42 <+TheBean> •jazzmann2• Not long, seeing as we've (indirectly) developed it...but I still find cool things 17:43 < jazzmann2> Oh, cool! 17:43 <+TheBean> Coolest part is the planet inertia 17:43 <+TheBean> Compare 1.2e to 1.3, and it's amazing 17:43 < T_Servo> jazzman: 3D of the globe, zooming in to 100m of some locations.. seeing inside jessi's apartment bedroom window in realtime 17:43 < T_Servo> doh! 17:43 < dpatton> adamhill: not sure what you mean? 17:43 < jazzmann2> which locations can you zoom 100m from? 17:44 < T_Servo> Use USGS Urban area and go to Washington D.C. 17:44 <+adamhill> to host the data they will have to commit to running a WMS server at the least 17:44 < mazzanet> heh T_Servo 17:44 <+jessi-nlt> for WWC's proxy, all they need is PHP 17:44 < T_Servo> I got three frostys that day.... 17:45 < jazzmann2> USGS Urban of DC is still blurry 17:45 < T_Servo> give it time to all load up 17:47 < dpatton> The issue of a WMS server at ibiblio isn't resolved yet, but it's something I'll be finding out about "later on", because eventually I hope to have the DCP data available via WMS 17:47 < jazzmann2> roger Servo 17:47 < dpatton> jazzmann2: did you read my FAQ article? it explains the use of the USGS layers 17:47 < jazzmann2> I bookmarked it, for this evening 17:48 <+jessi-nlt> if ibiblio's willing to use PHP, WWC's community landsat proxy can be hosted there; PHP and MySQL for the wiki 17:49 <+adamhill> see , thats the problem with archive.org too it seems, they get a big chubby about serving map data then they get dodgy when they find out you need to run a app of some kind 17:49 <+jessi-nlt> i think hotspots uses PHP/MySQL as well 17:49 < dpatton> PHP/MySQL is no problem - that's what we use for the DCP 17:50 < dpatton> ibiblio FAQ: http://www.ibiblio.org/faq/ 17:50 <+jessi-nlt> dynamic content's harder to scale, so perhaps a bit understandable ;) 17:50 < jazzmann2> thank you all.. im going to get going 17:51 >> #worldwind JOIN fredfire (~fredfire@80-218-249-125.dclient.hispeed.ch) 17:51 <+jessi-nlt> going to be isolating the NLT dynamic content onto its own machines soon... i will be so much happier 17:52 >> dpatton is now known as dpatton_away 17:52 >> SignOff: jazzmann2 (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 17:54 <+jessi-nlt> did thebean go to sleep? amazingness! 17:55 <+TheBean> That's what you think 17:55 <+TheBean> I'm reading Terraserver papers 17:55 <+TheBean> :p 17:56 <+jessi-nlt> you weirdo ;P 17:56 <+TheBean> ftp://ftp.research.microsoft.com/pub/tr/tr-2002-53.pdf 17:56 <+TheBean> Needs updating, they say "world's largest online atlas with 15Tb" 17:56 <+TheBean> Hey, if you sued and won, that'd provide lots of funding :p 17:56 <+Nowak> any usefull info there ? 17:57 < Reene> wouldn't need to win, just force MS to settle ;D 17:57 < T_Servo> hehe 17:57 < T_Servo> force them to host all our data 17:58 <+TheBean> Just XML and SOAP blah blah 17:58 <+jessi-nlt> it's all ASP/SQL Server based i think 17:58 <+TheBean> Some info on the different maps and projections 17:58 <+TheBean> Yeah, it's .NET evangelism 17:59 <+TheBean> Page 7 has some info on the tiling process 17:59 <+jessi-nlt> i think these are all the papers available http://terraserver.microsoft.com/About.aspx?n=AboutPapers 17:59 <+TheBean> The logo is a parameter of the query 18:00 >> #worldwind JOIN steve2005 (GB52276d55@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 18:00 < steve2005> hi 18:00 < steve2005> Can someone help me figure out , how to get a picture of my house which is in england 18:01 <+TheBean> No way at the moment 18:01 <+TheBean> Hi-res imagery is only for the US 18:01 >> SignOff: steve2005 (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 18:01 * jessi-nlt pines for answerbot 18:02 <+TheBean> Love you too 18:02 <+TheBean> Yeah, we need one 18:02 * jessi-nlt snickers 18:02 >> T_Servo is now known as AnswerBot2000 18:02 < AnswerBot2000> For an Answer, please insert $5 18:02 < AnswerBot2000> For an GOOD Answer, please insert $10 18:02 <+jessi-nlt> what is the meaning of liff? 18:02 < AnswerBot2000> For an correct Answer, please insert $100 18:02 < AnswerBot2000> dumb look, Free 18:03 >> AnswerBot2000 is now known as T_Servo 18:03 <+TheBean> Hehe 18:03 <+TheBean> Ooh look, that October 2004 paper has lots of nice info 18:04 <+TheBean> I think they'll be updating their farm again though ;) 18:04 <+TheBean> http://folk.uio.no/alied/TMoL.html 18:04 <+TheBean> LIFF (n.) 18:04 <+TheBean> A book, the contents of which are totally belied by its cover. For instance, any book the dust jacket of which bears the words. 'This book will change your life'. 18:05 <+TheBean> Or it could be a bunch of docs, depending on how boring you are 18:06 <+jessi-nlt> hah 18:06 * jessi-nlt obviously needs to read another Adams book 18:06 < T_Servo> hehe 18:06 * T_Servo is reading Ring World right now 18:06 <+jessi-nlt> anyway, if you (the book) are going to change someone's life, better not announce it. more impact that way. 18:09 <+TheBean> The TerraServer administrator goes through the following process when he discovers a disk has gone off-line: 18:09 <+TheBean> 1. He uses the 3Ware management utility to re-activate the disk. This never works. 18:09 <+TheBean> For some reason I find that amusing, in an MS doc :p 18:10 * jessi-nlt likes the deadpan humo(u)r 18:10 < T_Servo> hehe 18:10 < T_Servo> Disc world is good there 18:12 <+TheBean> We also experienced zero “blue screens” or other unexplained system crash. Actually, we didn’t experience any issues with the system software or hardware that resulted in a system crash. 18:12 <+TheBean> ..."so it was a good decision to use Unix, suckers to Billy, sorry pal" 18:12 <+TheBean> tehee 18:13 <+jessi-nlt> only you could find the humor in an 18:13 <+jessi-nlt> MS technical doc -- color me impressed :) 18:13 <+TheBean> Hehe 18:13 <+TheBean> Wow, it costs ~$1m/year...I wonder what percentage will be bandwidth costs after Landsat7 kicks in 18:14 <+jessi-nlt> pocket change, i tell you, pocket change! 18:14 <+TheBean> Terraserver is nearly as fast as NLT now :p 18:14 <+jessi-nlt> NLT's seemed a bit slow to me, sometimes the tiles hang for a bit 18:14 <+jessi-nlt> did you notice that? 18:15 <+TheBean> Heh, yeah...so they can spare, hmm, some hosting for WWC, and some software for all of us, and a trip to the datacentre for all of us too, and some stickers 18:15 <+TheBean> Hmm 18:15 <+TheBean> I'll have a play now 18:15 * jessi-nlt watches TheBean "play" 18:16 <+TheBean> It's giving me a pretty constant lot of loading 18:16 <+TheBean> 200k/sec too...caught it hit 700 18:16 <+jessi-nlt> tiles don't hang slightly on "connecting" for you? 18:17 <+TheBean> Nope 18:17 <+jessi-nlt> hm, might just be my local overstressed laptop 18:17 <+TheBean> Although, hard to tell, because there's ~200ms delay in network timing over here 18:18 <+TheBean> But the delay between icon appearing and bar moving is the same as with USGS, so seems it's the distance 18:18 * jessi-nlt tries traceroutes to NLT servers from remote locations 18:19 < T_Servo> Wonder if we can get these into WW: http://brendoman.com/honzo/lotr/maps.htm 18:21 <+TheBean> haha :D 18:22 < T_Servo> that would get a lot of attention to WW.. a LOTR add-on 18:24 <+Nowak> lol 18:25 < T_Servo> how long nowak? ;) 18:25 * TheBean starts the stopwatch 18:25 * jessi-nlt laughs 18:25 < T_Servo> hehe 18:27 <+Nowak> Anyone know what projection theyre in ? :D 18:28 < T_Servo> Moria:235 I think 18:28 >> #worldwind JOIN Llynix (llynix@llynix.developer.worldwind) 18:28 >> Mode #worldwind "+v Llynix" by ChanServ 18:28 <+jessi-nlt> nowak, should we add the GOES layer to 1.3.1 or is it just a test? 18:28 < T_Servo> Ask llynix 18:29 <+Nowak> Depends when 1.3.1 is out 18:30 <+Nowak> if today then better no ;) 18:30 <+jessi-nlt> how about monday? :) 18:30 <+Nowak> i need a few days to set it up right 18:30 <+Nowak> up to one week 18:30 * TheBean goes to bed 18:30 <+TheBean> 'night everyone 18:31 < T_Servo> yea right bean 18:31 <+jessi-nlt> goodnight, bean 18:31 <+Nowak> TheBean: good idea 18:31 <+Nowak> bbl :D 18:31 <+TheBean> Sigh, there's kids messing around outside 18:31 <+jessi-nlt> good night :) 18:32 <+TheBean> Thankfully the Merc is awol :) 18:32 <+jessi-nlt> guess you'll have to get out the earplugs 18:32 <+TheBean> Hehe 18:32 <+TheBean> cya 18:32 <+jessi-nlt> bye :) 18:32 < T_Servo> night bean 18:34 >> #worldwind JOIN popper4 (US18321bf8@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 18:35 >> SignOff: popper4 (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 18:43 <+Llynix> so what was up with managed? 18:43 <+Llynix> ohh he said bbl 18:44 <+Llynix> ohh well 18:47 < T_Servo> time for me to crash... got a welding lesson tomorrow 18:48 < T_Servo> heh, just a hair under 2gig for my WW cache 18:48 <+jessi-nlt> nigght, tom 18:49 <+jessi-nlt> ugh, my typing sucks 18:49 < T_Servo> hehe 18:49 < T_Servo> night jessi 18:49 >> T_Servo is now known as T_Servo_ZZZzzzz 19:00 >> SignOff: fredfire (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC") [#worldwind] 19:06 >> SignOff: Christen () [#worldwind] 19:40 >> SignOff: T_Servo_ZZZzzzz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 19:53 * dpatton_away temporarily back, between dinner and dessert 19:54 <+jessi-nlt> yummy 19:54 < dpatton_away> the Ringworld series is great - as are most of Niven's books 19:55 < dpatton_away> NASA is _everywhere_ - I was just watching part of a TV show about the use of GPS in airplanes, and all of a sudded there were people from NASA Ames on the screen ;-) 19:55 <+jessi-nlt> hahaha 19:56 <+jessi-nlt> well, aeronautics is one of Ames' core competencies.... although NASA doesn't really want to fund aeronautics research much anymore 19:57 >> #worldwind JOIN Hani (LB3e544cfe@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 19:59 < Hani> hey all 20:00 < Hani> i need somebody who is well expreincied in world wind to help me 20:01 < dpatton_away> For the Douglas Adams fans: 20:01 < dpatton_away> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/ 20:01 >> SignOff: Hani (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 20:01 < dpatton_away> http://hitchhikers.movies.go.com/ 20:06 * dpatton_away heads off to have some dessert and watch some football(soccer for you US folks) 20:11 >> #worldwind JOIN comrade (TR51d64f0c@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 20:12 >> SignOff: comrade (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 20:35 <+Llynix> jessi-nlt: have you done any work on a patch installer? 20:36 <+Llynix> also have you submitted your changes for 1.3 installer? 20:44 * Llynix twiddles kuriiri's toes 21:05 < anselm> http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/download/ 21:15 <+Llynix> data 21:15 <+Llynix> anything good? 21:20 <+Llynix> hmm 21:20 <+Llynix> my altitude is -1121m right now 21:23 <+Llynix> hmm 21:23 <+Llynix> something isn't right at all 21:26 <+jessi-nlt> llynix... alas no 21:26 <+jessi-nlt> were you going to work on the installer stuff? 21:26 <+jessi-nlt> or generate a patch? 21:27 <+Llynix> yeah I guess :) 21:27 <+Llynix> unless you have plans 21:27 <+Llynix> but I would like that commit :) 21:27 <+jessi-nlt> i was planning to do it on monday, but if you want to do it now, then feel free 21:27 <+jessi-nlt> totally. i can even do it on sunday. 21:27 <+jessi-nlt> i can commit the installer stuff on sunday 21:27 <+Llynix> nah.. might work on somethign tomorrow 21:28 <+jessi-nlt> i should have generated a CVS HEAD test build on friday before i left, just didnt have time then 21:28 <+Llynix> I just need the nsi you used for 1.3 21:28 <+Llynix> I have yesterdays alpha running 21:28 <+jessi-nlt> is it okay if i commit the NSI on sunday? 21:28 <+Llynix> yeah 21:29 <+Llynix> I'm not doing anything tonight 21:29 <+jessi-nlt> ok, cool 21:29 * jessi-nlt just had a long conversation with patrick about community's concerns 21:29 <+Llynix> laf 21:29 <+Llynix> the community concerns too much.. screw us.. :) 21:29 <+jessi-nlt> hahaha 21:30 <+jessi-nlt> am i just oversensitive? must be my "social worker" gene 21:30 * Llynix shrugs 21:31 <+Llynix> you have any experience scraping sites? 21:31 <+Llynix> or dealing with xml? 21:31 * jessi-nlt feels momentary disorientation at change in topic 21:31 <+Llynix> to generate sites? 21:31 <+jessi-nlt> not really 21:31 <+Llynix> me either 21:31 <+jessi-nlt> you seem to learn pretty quickly, i'm sure you'll get the hang of it :P 21:32 <+Llynix> I feel as if I can easily take rss feeds manipulate them and drop them into a webpage 21:32 <+Llynix> like theres probably some simple library to do that or something 21:33 <+jessi-nlt> there probably is, particularly since it's so commonly done 21:36 <+Llynix> I got my NASA gift today :) 21:36 * jessi-nlt laughs 21:37 * Llynix is polishing it now 21:37 <+jessi-nlt> cool :) 21:38 <+Llynix> although 21:38 <+Llynix> I'm not sure if I understand the "mission success starts with safety" part 21:38 <+Llynix> should I have a seat belt on my computer chair? 21:38 * jessi-nlt laughs more 21:39 <+Llynix> is that like a all of nasa logo? 21:39 <+jessi-nlt> that's an artifact from where patrick used to work, i think 21:39 <+Llynix> slogan I should say 21:39 <+jessi-nlt> he used to work as a manager in the safety division at NASA Ames 21:39 <+Llynix> laf 21:39 <+jessi-nlt> but safety has become this new watchword at nasa, since the shuttle tragedies 21:40 <+jessi-nlt> so maybe it is a slogan for all of nasa 21:40 * jessi-nlt isn't keeping up with all of this 21:40 <+Llynix> you part time slacker 21:40 <+jessi-nlt> i know, i'm so evil 21:41 <+jessi-nlt> it's funny because i again feel like i spent most of today working on world wind... yet i'm part time. does not compute. 21:41 <+Llynix> so do I get one of these next year too? 21:41 <+Llynix> if I stick around? 21:42 * jessi-nlt laughs 21:42 <+jessi-nlt> i haven't a clue. bug patrick. :) 21:43 <+Llynix> hehe 21:43 <+Llynix> I showed it off to my friends earlier 21:43 <+jessi-nlt> you are too funny. 21:43 <+jessi-nlt> did they ask you whether you'd met all the astronauts yet? 21:44 <+jessi-nlt> when i tell people i work for nasa, that's what they want to know 21:44 <+Llynix> laf 21:44 <+Llynix> my friends are a bit brighter 21:44 <+Llynix> at least the ones I told 21:44 >> SignOff: pattex (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [#worldwind] 21:44 * Llynix saw his family today but didn't tell them for some reason.. 21:45 <+jessi-nlt> they might implore you to "get a real job" 21:45 <+Llynix> I'm surprised my girlfriend isn't on my ass over that 21:45 <+Llynix> although tutoring is paying off now 21:45 <+jessi-nlt> perhaps because you're spending more time with her than before. maintaining the work/life balance == good 21:46 <+jessi-nlt> alas, NLT people aren't so good at that balance thing 21:46 <+jessi-nlt> that's awesome 21:48 <+Llynix> hmm 21:48 * Llynix needs to put about twenty bucks into his account 21:48 <+Llynix> doh 21:49 <+Llynix> ohh wait 21:49 <+Llynix> I'm good 21:49 * jessi-nlt needs to read a book and meditate 21:49 <+Llynix> hehe 21:49 * Llynix needs a cig 21:49 <+Llynix> so the nasa logo on the back isn't centered 21:49 <+jessi-nlt> isn't smoking terribly expensive? 21:49 <+Llynix> I've cut down considerably.. 21:50 >> #worldwind JOIN Wain (USd869daa0@chat.worldwindcentral.com) 21:50 <+Llynix> I smoke 2-3 packs a week now 21:50 <+jessi-nlt> wow 21:50 <+Llynix> was a pack a day 21:50 <+Llynix> one day I'll take the next step.. 21:50 <+Llynix> but I've held this for quite awhile now 21:50 < anselm> jez 21:51 <+jessi-nlt> you know that you'll immeasurably increase your lifespan... bla bla, you've heard it all before 21:51 >> Wain is now known as forp 21:51 <+jessi-nlt> i never smoked so i don't know how hard it is to quit, but some friends have told me it is very hard. 21:52 < anselm> actually it turns out that if you stop smoking your lungs are perfectly back to normal in 2 yrs 21:52 < anselm> quitting is easy 21:52 < forp> hello 21:52 < anselm> i've done it dozens of times 21:52 <+jessi-nlt> hahaha 21:52 <+jessi-nlt> hi, forp 21:52 <+jessi-nlt> what brings you to these backwaters of IRC? 21:53 < forp> found the link in the menu i was looking at 21:53 < forp> *Useful Sites 21:53 <+jessi-nlt> and whammo, there it is. 21:53 < forp> is this place useful? 21:54 <+jessi-nlt> occasionally. mostly it's a lot of monkeys on typewriters 21:54 <+Llynix> laf 21:54 <+Llynix> need to change that to just worldwindcentral 21:54 <+Llynix> not that I mind taken up so much real estate.. but no need to.. 21:54 <+Llynix> I do have things halfway orginized now 21:54 * adamhill throws a banana at jessi and llynix 21:54 <+Llynix> yummy 21:55 * jessi-nlt catches and peels 21:55 * jessi-nlt puts half in a blender with strawberries, blueberries, and yogurt 21:56 < forp> how good is this irc client? does it support all of the normal commands? 21:56 <+Llynix> well it's restricted 21:57 <+Llynix> but should support most of them 21:57 <+Llynix> honestly none of us really use the webchat :) 21:58 <+jessi-nlt> except those impoverished nasa folks behind the firewall 21:58 < forp> how can i get to this channel otherwise? 21:58 <+Llynix> irc.freenode.net #worldwind 21:58 <+Llynix> in fact brb 21:59 >> SignOff: Reene (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 22:00 >> #worldwind JOIN engmike (~engmike@hc6526490.dhcp.vt.edu) 22:01 < engmike> hi 22:01 <+Llynix> yeah 22:01 >> SignOff: forp (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 22:01 >> #worldwind JOIN Reene (nuvem@dialup-ras16-95.eug.or.uspops.net) 22:01 <+Llynix> I changed the chat webpage 22:01 <+Llynix> and he leaves 22:01 <+Llynix> ohh well 22:01 < Reene> beh 22:01 <+Llynix> yo mike 22:01 < Reene> anyway 22:02 < engmike> " And yes.. you can see your house/car/tree/etc." bad choice of words llynix :-) i'd rename the topic if you want more hits, people dont know what quickbird is 22:02 <+jessi-nlt> 'forp' - sounds HHGTTGish 22:02 <+Llynix> what would you suggest? 22:02 <+Llynix> probably is a bad choice of words.. 22:02 <+adamhill> KEWL FORESTS! 22:02 <+Llynix> as those houses/cars/trees are all fish food 22:03 < engmike> Additional urban areas add-on or something 22:03 >> #worldwind JOIN forp (~forp@generic-net218-160.mtc.net) 22:03 < engmike> just the topic i mean 22:04 <+jessi-nlt> you can see your house/car/tree/etc. if you're in a few small areas of the world 22:04 < engmike> hehe :-) 22:04 <+jessi-nlt> similar to USGS Urban Area, in fact ;) 22:04 < engmike> the urban area on terraserver stops about 2 miles south of my house 22:05 <+jessi-nlt> microsoft obviously hates you... or is it usgs 22:05 < engmike> theres urban area on usgs but no ones got it workign in ww yet 22:05 < engmike> well ms hates me, thats a given 22:05 < forp> what is quickbird? 22:05 < engmike> i mean urban area of baltimore and washington and everything in between on usgs 22:06 < engmike> i can look at my house with thier webviewer 22:06 < engmike> forp: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/quickbird/ 22:07 <+jessi-nlt> quickbird is high resolution satellite imagery 22:11 <+adamhill> but relatively expensive 22:11 <+adamhill> except for the free stuff :) 22:11 < forp> in irc, what does 'voice' mean? 22:12 <+adamhill> you can set the channel to gag everyone unless they are voiced 22:12 < forp> oh 22:12 < forp> does that happen here? 22:12 <+adamhill> keeps kiddees from coming in and being annoying 22:13 <+adamhill> only twice 22:13 <+adamhill> freenode is not efnet 22:13 <+jessi-nlt> the digitalglobe site is very vocal about its relationship with keyhole 22:14 <+Llynix> now they have a relationship with ww :) 22:15 <+adamhill> haha 22:16 <+jessi-nlt> their free stuff, can that be used for any purpose? so it's not a licensing violation to include with WW? 22:16 <+jessi-nlt> i was wondering if we wanted to include the quickbird layer with 1.3.1 22:16 < engmike> llynix you think the usgs urban areas not on terraserver could be made into a similar add on 22:16 < engmike> ? 22:17 <+Llynix> hmm 22:17 <+Llynix> dunno 22:17 <+Llynix> can you access the data? 22:17 < engmike> yeah 22:17 < engmike> and download it 22:17 < engmike> its in the same format as whats on terraserver 22:17 < engmike> just lots more of it 22:18 < forp> how big is the entire globe using visible color + pseudo color? (size of database, thing) 22:18 < engmike> big 22:18 <+Llynix> why doens't terraserver have it 22:18 <+Llynix> I wonder 22:19 < engmike> ummm i saw that answer somewhere 22:19 < engmike> let me find it 22:19 <+adamhill> jessi: anyone thought about presenting at the Where 2.0 Conference? - http://conferences.oreillynet.com/where/ 22:20 < forp> *forp uses an asterisk 22:20 <+jessi-nlt> adam, probably depends on the potential benefit 22:21 < engmike> llynix: its either not been sent to terrasever, or they have it and havent loaded it 22:21 < engmike> " We will continue to add new Urban Area data as it arrives from the USGS. We have received 46 of the 133 planned cities this calendar year." 22:21 < engmike> thats from may 04 22:21 <+jessi-nlt> "Intellectual Property Rights: Property of DigitalGlobe. Contact www.digitalglobe.com for more information." http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:j2gDU5yZvzQJ:glcf.umiacs.umd.edu/data/quickbird/+glcf+quickbird&hl=en&client=firefox-a 22:22 <+adamhill> go read the precis, it is a business oriented conference as opposed to a technologists one, might be good to inform that there is a OS tool out there that you can zoom to any point on the world 22:23 < forp> what language is worldwind written in? 22:23 < engmike> english 22:23 < engmike> opps 22:23 < engmike> c# 22:23 < engmike> sorry 22:23 < engmike> its getting late 22:23 < forp> that's fine 22:23 < forp> normal in my life 22:25 < forp> which version of c#? (which compiler) 22:25 < engmike> vs.net 2003 22:26 < forp> will it compile on newer versions? 22:26 < engmike> dunno 22:27 < forp> are you here a lot? 22:27 <+jessi-nlt> looks like an interesting conference... i'm getting the sense that nlt staff are overextended which is why i'm cautious about saying yes. 22:27 < engmike> yeah 22:27 < engmike> why? 22:27 <+Llynix> forp I think it will.. and will also compile under 2002 with some massaging 22:28 < forp> i'm going to try compiling it on a newer version 22:28 < forp> in about 15 minutes 22:29 >> forp is now known as forp|stepped_out 22:30 <+jessi-nlt> in related matter, i've gotten the ok to distribute NLT weekly, monthly, and quarterly reports to the community 22:30 <+jessi-nlt> they mostly talk about collaborations and significant events 22:31 <+jessi-nlt> http://learn.arc.nasa.gov/reports/ username: nlt password: nlt 22:31 <+jessi-nlt> this might be a small step toward keeping the community more in the loop 22:32 <+Llynix> that is cool 22:32 <+Llynix> we should see if we can't do something like that on this end as well 22:32 < engmike> the blog 22:32 <+jessi-nlt> although i might need to groom these reports for a general audience 22:33 <+Llynix> the blog really doesn't get any love 22:33 <+jessi-nlt> um, ok, i think i need to embargo these reports until monday when i can clean them up for public distribution 22:34 <+jessi-nlt> sorry :( 22:34 * Reene whistles 22:34 <+Llynix> that's fine 22:34 * Reene gives jessi some cookies and soda 22:34 < engmike> gotta erase all mention of the nasa mind control satelite in the reports first jessi? 22:35 < Reene> don't forget the secret microchip implants 22:35 <+jessi-nlt> hahaha 22:35 <+Llynix> hmm 22:36 <+Llynix> how do you find out your internal ip? 22:36 * jessi-nlt thanks reene :) 22:36 <+jessi-nlt> windows: ipconfig /all linux: ifconfig 22:36 * Reene is in a fantastically wonderful mood. 22:37 <+jessi-nlt> all that sleep today, huh? ;) 22:37 < Reene> nah 22:37 < Reene> I just found out Diablo games can still be held on bnet 22:37 < Reene> Ten years and they still support the game 22:37 < Reene> For free 22:38 < Reene> how many other companies can you say that about 22:38 <+jessi-nlt> wow. /me remembers diablo from her youth 22:38 < nhv> jessi http://learn.arc.nasa.gov/reports/ let me in once but is now barring access 22:38 <+Llynix> I wanted to get some diablo going here 22:38 <+Llynix> figured the kid could figure it out.. 22:38 < Reene> Yeah. Great game. Bloody great game... 22:39 <+jessi-nlt> yeah, i had to restrict access until i clean up the reports slightly :) 22:39 <+Llynix> but maybe too violent 22:39 * Llynix shrugs 22:39 < Reene> I own Hellfire, Diablo 2, and Diablo LOD too. 22:39 < nhv> :-) 22:39 < Reene> Will buy Diablo 3 when it comes out. 22:39 < Reene> I mean. I do not buy games, strictly speaking. aside from my diablo set, I own 2 computer games. 22:40 < nhv> I noticed that ir was mentioned that bathymetry work will start in earnest in march 22:40 < Reene> Llynix: diablo doesn't have much in the way of realistic violence.. 22:40 < Reene> sure, you've got blood spraying out of the necks of the nude succubi you skewer, but it's not _that_ gorey. 22:41 <+Llynix> laf 22:41 <+Llynix> try explaining that to a mother 22:41 < Reene> It's good they learn about violence from these games. Better than watching TV. 22:41 < nhv> In that respect FYI I am Rich Signell's local OGC 'expert' 22:41 < Reene> At least in these games, the monsters won't come back to life completely unharmed. 22:41 < Reene> Okay, they do in Diablo 2, but that's a special case. 22:42 <+jessi-nlt> cool... i don't know the specifics of what's going on there or what kind of communication is happening WRT that 22:42 < engmike> or RE :-P 22:42 < Reene> RE is just...evil :( 22:43 < engmike> ive got too many games i want to play 22:43 < engmike> never get around to it 22:43 < Reene> I don't. and that's sad. 22:43 < engmike> fft, xenogears, and earthbound at the top of the list 22:43 < Reene> YOU DONT HAVE EARTHBOUND? 22:43 < Reene> want it? got an emulator? 22:44 < engmike> havent beaten it 22:44 < Reene> hmmm. 22:44 < Reene> That's not good.. 22:44 < engmike> " want it? got an emulator?" haha good one reene 22:44 < Reene> The end is really heartwrenching. 22:45 < nhv> jessi still re bathymetry you folks might want to touch base with Bill Haxby see http://www.geomapapp.org/about.html 22:45 < Reene> horribly cliche, yes, but still does its job at pulling your heartstrings. 22:45 < engmike> ive got nes, snes, gba, dc, psx, genesis, dosbox and mame 22:45 < nhv> he has expressed a desire to get his holdings into an OGC compliant form 22:45 < engmike> so i have plenty of emulators 22:45 < engmike> :-D 22:46 < engmike> psx emulator actually game in handy, since my ps2 stopped reading psx discs 22:46 < engmike> but then i sold it to gamestop 22:47 < Reene> I only have zsnes... 22:47 < Reene> i wish they made a decent NES emulator.. 22:47 < Reene> wanna play kirby :| 22:48 < engmike> i use nessie 22:48 < Reene> it got a linux port? 22:48 < engmike> plays kirby great 22:48 < engmike> oh umm 22:48 < engmike> cant you wine it? 22:48 < Reene> I probably could, yeah 22:49 < engmike> oh mess would work for you 22:49 < engmike> http://www.mess.org/index.html 22:49 < engmike> mame = arcade, mess = home computer and console 22:49 < engmike> mage = gambling games 22:50 < engmike> but mess emulates the nes great, and theres a linux version 22:50 < engmike> if you cant find a standalone nes emulator for linux 22:51 < Reene> niffy 22:51 < Reene> ooo 22:51 < Reene> diablo time 22:51 < Reene> bbl :D 22:51 < engmike> never played diablo 22:51 < engmike> i should probably go to bed 22:51 <+Llynix> diablo is pretty cool 22:52 <+Llynix> just somthing about it.. 22:52 < engmike> dos? 22:52 <+Llynix> like most billzard games it just has a feel 22:52 <+Llynix> hmm.. I do believe it was win32 console 22:52 < Reene> yeah. 22:52 < Reene> Blizzard is freaking amazing. 22:52 < engmike> i never got into computer games, just c&c and sim city 22:53 <+Llynix> diablo would be a fun one to try out 22:53 < Reene> just don't play open games on battlenet 22:54 < Reene> kids with trainers will fuck your character up 22:54 <+Llynix> hehe 22:54 <+Llynix> I actually own two copies of diablo I think 22:54 <+Llynix> for some bizarre reason 23:01 >> forp|stepped_out is now known as forp 23:03 < forp> the conversion wizard had errors when i tried converting to .net 2005 23:04 < forp> *compiling worldwind 23:06 <+Llynix> ickies 23:08 < neom> http://neom.ca/img00111.jpg 23:08 <+Llynix> neat 23:08 <+Llynix> where are you when I need artwork? 23:10 < neom> http://neom.ca/lxpb1.jpg 23:16 >> SignOff: forp (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different") [#worldwind] 23:27 >> #worldwind JOIN pattex (~pattex@isi-dial-153-86.isionline-dialin.de) 23:31 >> SignOff: Leg (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 23:46 >> SignOff: Llynix ("Lost terminal") [#worldwind] 23:48 >> #worldwind JOIN Llynix (llynix@llynix.developer.worldwind) 23:48 >> Mode #worldwind "+v Llynix" by ChanServ 23:49 <+Llynix> poof 23:58 < Tesselator> Can anyone get the NL7 Land set data to load for this location: worldwind://goto/world=Earth&lat=35.23793&lon=136.90117&alt=44463&dir=-6.9&tilt=18.3 --- Log closed Sun Mar 20 00:00:11 2005