--- Log opened Sat Sep 03 00:00:25 2005 --- Day changed Sat Sep 03 2005 00:00 < T_Servo__> you two are WAY out of synch 00:00 >> T_Servo__ is now known as T_Servo 00:01 < T_Servo> noiv: no, seen it once.. that's enough 00:05 >> SignOff: Gfx ("MY NAME IS ANDY #@!") [#worldwind] 00:07 < noiv> I'm just asking whats going on here. Feeling kind of community depression. Jessy is renamed. aussiemac has a weekend wail at the forum. devs are lost. 00:07 < T_Servo> well, jessis is in Michigan getting settled down for her masters I beleive 00:08 <+Nowak> T_Servo: not realy, i woke up today around 3pm :D 00:08 < T_Servo> mashi is just AWOL.. adam is still recovering from fleaing death 00:08 < T_Servo> lol 00:08 < T_Servo> nowak: what DO you DO for a living? 00:08 <+Nowak> Well, nothing 00:09 < T_Servo> that's obvious ;) 00:12 < noiv> yes and dumdumhead started a blog (one entry), mashi stopped blogging. 00:12 <+Nowak> lol :D 00:12 < T_Servo> yea, mashi worries me 00:12 >> #worldwind JOIN ARSK (n=9b61030e@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 00:13 < ARSK> Hello, I need help please 00:13 < noiv> whos is that mashi in my IRC users list? 00:13 < ARSK> World wind is working, but nothing is clear 00:13 < T_Servo> that's mashi's ghost 00:13 < T_Servo> !blurry 00:13 < f0urtyfive> For blurry images check: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/World_Wind_FAQ#The_questions_we_get_every_day 00:13 < ARSK> it is pixelated and blur 00:13 < T_Servo> start there 00:14 < noiv> at least bots are working 00:14 < noiv> mashi = bot now ? 00:14 < ARSK> sir nothing is clear, tell me the clearest place on worldwind, so i can check it out 00:15 < noiv> White house ? 00:15 < noiv> washington, usa 00:17 < T_Servo> read the URL you were given, it will explain it all 00:18 <+Nowak> noiv: not a good example :D 00:18 < T_Servo> you are not the first to ask that question 00:19 < noiv> ok, but easy to find when usgs is enabled. 00:20 >> SignOff: ARSK (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 00:22 < noiv> I've found a wms with orthos of prag/czech, but servers stops responding after requsting 5 or 6 tiles and starts again 20 hours later. 00:23 < noiv> then checked the homepage and find out data is on CD 00:23 < noiv> i think in one week i have all data but where can i host it ? at worldwind central? 00:24 < noiv> 30mb 00:26 < noiv> served from CD :) 00:28 <+TheBean> wwc, sure 00:28 <+TheBean> grab Nowak 00:30 < noiv> mmmh, nowak dislikes my ideas :) 00:30 < noiv> or white house ? 00:31 <+TheBean> white house? 00:31 < noiv> 17 lines above... 00:32 <+TheBean> [1:17am] sir nothing is clear, tell me the clearest place on worldwind, so i can check it out 00:32 <+TheBean> [1:18am] White house ? 00:32 <+TheBean> [1:18am] washington, usa 00:32 <+TheBean> I was on about the data hosting 00:33 < noiv> ooops an 13min echo on irc. I'll check my internet connection.. 00:33 <+TheBean> hah 00:35 < noiv> nowak has hands on the servres? 00:35 < noiv> running good! 00:36 < Bull_[UK]> rofl @ aussiemac 00:36 < noiv> but what happened to the build server? 00:37 < Bull_[UK]> the community is supposed to be running 00:37 < Bull_[UK]> it 00:37 < Bull_[UK]> but f0urty is slacking 00:37 < Bull_[UK]> :P 00:38 < noiv> blacking lacking clacking sacking stacking smacking slaking ???? 00:39 * noiv does not understands slang 00:39 < Bull_[UK]> slacking = being lazy 00:40 < Bull_[UK]> when he gets back from las vegas I'll hassle him 00:42 < Bull_[UK]> Beanie - we have competition and it looks better than our site :P - http://explorer.altopix.com/map/7if7u5/210/1/Urban/Cities/Kiev_city.htm?order=date 00:42 < Reene> man...the internet is so boring without SA 00:46 < Bull_[UK]> south africa is gone? did it get flooded too? 00:47 < noiv> bull: most pics are from google - they will get closed - despite the ads 00:47 < Bull_[UK]> hehe 00:48 <+TheBean> Bull - nah :p 00:48 < Bull_[UK]> nice layout though, we need multiple comments on worldwindcentral 00:49 >> SignOff: T_Servo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 00:49 < Bull_[UK]> I'm off to read some piers anthony, then sleep, see you guys tomorrow 00:49 >> SignOff: Bull_[UK] ("www.bullsworld.co.uk") [#worldwind] 00:55 <+TheBean> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=160951&cid=13466538 --- haha 01:02 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo (n=chatzill@205.208.133.189) 01:03 < T_Servo> damn, lost power for some reason 01:04 <+TheBean> eekie 01:04 >> #worldwind JOIN sirkali (n=189d3544@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 01:05 < sirkali> sir hello myo 01:06 < T_Servo> yea 01:06 < T_Servo> was interesrting 01:07 < noiv> using computer without power is interesting? :0 01:09 >> SignOff: sirkali (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 01:11 < T_Servo> was out side when it went out 01:13 >> SignOff: noiv (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") [#worldwind] 01:31 <+TheBean> quiet tonight 01:31 < Reene> it's always quiet in here 01:31 < T_Servo> ye 01:31 < T_Servo> p 01:33 < T_Servo> it is because we have not had reene and bean here for a while 01:33 < Reene> bean is much cooler than me, he should generate some conversation 01:35 < T_Servo> yea, but you way better on the eyes than him 01:36 < Reene> haha 01:36 < Reene> we need like... 01:37 < Reene> macgyver and chuck norris to come clean up new orleans 01:37 < T_Servo> robo cop 01:37 < T_Servo> the govonator 01:38 < Reene> the crocodile hunter 01:38 < Reene> cause you know there are gonna be gators 01:40 < T_Servo> heh 01:40 < T_Servo> it isn't gators I am worried about 01:40 < Reene> and vin diesel 01:40 < Reene> cause he plays d&d and that's hot :( 01:40 < T_Servo> hehe 01:41 * TheBean doesn't remember what Reene looks like 01:41 <+TheBean> However, I'm sure I am the pinnacle of the human race 01:41 <+TheBean> o.O 01:41 < T_Servo> lol 01:41 <+TheBean> Don't have the link to Reene's blog 01:42 < Reene> http://reene.euphoricsoup.com/oops.png <- me 01:43 * T_Servo wonders how his aunt is doing outside N.O.... 01:43 >> #worldwind JOIN engmike (n=engmike@worldwind/user/EngMike) 01:44 < engmike> hi! 01:44 < engmike> jessi here? 01:44 < T_Servo> she is 2 hours from me right now 01:44 < engmike> huh? 01:44 < T_Servo> according to patrick.. she is in michigan 01:44 < engmike> to see you? 01:45 < T_Servo> I wisj 01:45 < T_Servo> wish 01:45 < engmike> i just had sake 01:45 < T_Servo> no, she decided to go to UofM 01:45 < engmike> figured shed be impressed 01:45 < engmike> go to ufm? 01:45 < engmike> go in what way? 01:46 < T_Servo> go get her masters 01:46 < T_Servo> or phd.. forget whicj 01:46 < T_Servo> h 01:47 < engmike> no japan? 01:47 < T_Servo> nope 01:47 < engmike> aww 01:47 < engmike> sorry to hear that 01:48 < T_Servo> lol 01:48 < engmike> sake is nasty by the way 01:51 <+TheBean> Reene - cool, I've never met a cartoon character before :D 01:51 < Reene> first time for everything 01:56 < engmike> hi bean, reene 01:56 < Reene> allo sir 01:57 < T_Servo> so, what have you been up too reene? 01:58 < Reene> not a lot...moved and stuff 01:58 < engmike> any news on katrina images? 01:58 < engmike> still havent heard from my friend :-( 01:59 < Reene> I guess the power on should be soon according to what some folks are saying 01:59 < Reene> should be on..rather... 01:59 < Reene> god I'm dyslexic 01:59 < T_Servo> engmike: probably tomorrow 02:00 < engmike> i cant even find any articles that say exactly what the damage in gulfport is 02:00 <+TheBean> hey engmike 02:00 < engmike> a list would be fine 02:00 < engmike> hi bean 02:00 < T_Servo> engmike: www.noaa.gov 02:00 < T_Servo> story on the first page has a link to mangocrate's server for katrina images 02:01 < T_Servo> we will have them in a WMS format soon, nhv is working on that and nowak is waiting 02:01 < engmike> mangocrate sounds familar 02:01 < T_Servo> noaa guy 02:01 < engmike> here right? 02:01 < T_Servo> yea 02:02 < engmike> gulfport miss 02:02 < engmike> im downloading that 02:02 < engmike> i hope its a bunch of zipped jpegs? 02:02 < T_Servo> ye 02:02 < T_Servo> a 02:03 <+adamhill> Reene!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 02:03 < Reene> sir! hello! 02:03 <+adamhill> where have you been? 02:03 < Reene> around the internet and back 02:04 <+adamhill> i have been on an adventure in New Orleans 02:04 < Reene> wow 02:04 < Reene> why? 02:04 < T_Servo> you gotta hear this story >.< 02:04 < Reene> yes I do 02:04 < engmike> i havent heard from you adam 02:04 < engmike> what happened? 02:04 <+adamhill> got a 6 month gig at a big oil company doing WW stuff 02:05 < engmike> good they have a section of images for gulfport, thats where my friend is 02:05 < T_Servo> thanks to me he got the job..... 02:05 <+adamhill> tried to evac, ran out of gas in Kenner LA, waited out the hurricane at a Radisson 02:05 <+adamhill> caught a ride to Houston with a woman and her dog 02:06 <+TheBean> wow 02:06 <+adamhill> spouse came to Houston to pick me up 02:06 < T_Servo> I am not on ada's christmass list anymore 02:06 * adamhill pokes T_Servo's voodoo doll some more 02:06 < T_Servo> ow! 02:07 < Reene> nice adventure 02:07 < Reene> I've just been sitting here sort of absorbing everything 02:07 < Reene> waiting for the revolution... 02:07 < Reene> wondering what the hell is wrong with FEMA 02:07 <+TheBean> horses for courses 02:08 <+TheBean> that phrase has no relevance whatsoever, apart from FEMA's director's past job 02:09 < T_Servo> There is going to be A LOT of hell to pay when this is all said and done 02:09 <+TheBean> yeah 02:09 < Reene> everyone dropped the ball 02:09 < T_Servo> "We are saving more lives by going in a week after the disaster" WTF is the logic in that?? 02:09 < Reene> it's disgusting 02:10 <+TheBean> it's a disgrace 02:10 < T_Servo> If they had gone in monday night and tueday.. we would most likely be nowhere near what we have now 02:10 < engmike> bush levee funding and put it towards iraq 02:10 < engmike> bush cut 02:10 < T_Servo> yea 02:10 <+TheBean> Ah but the extra levee stuff wouldn't have been complete until 2008 anyway 02:10 <+TheBean> dunno about any other funding areas though, but whatever the reason it's appaling 02:11 < T_Servo> thebean: but part of that was to put more pumps in 02:11 < T_Servo> and that would have been done already for the most part 02:11 <+TheBean> ahhh 02:11 <+TheBean> Also, 7k of the national guard in iraq doesn't help 02:11 < T_Servo> the pumps just got overwelmed this time 02:12 <+TheBean> yeah :( 02:13 < Reene> someone seriously need to punch dennis hastert in the face 02:13 < engmike> but yeah 02:13 < Reene> needs to, even. 02:13 < T_Servo> yea 02:13 < T_Servo> he won't be in his position much longer 02:13 < T_Servo> either be asked to step down, or is lynched 02:13 <+TheBean> yeah 02:14 < engmike> ive got a popsci article from 2001 saying this could happen 02:14 < engmike> army corp of engineers had a plan to restore the delta 02:14 <+TheBean> heck the authorities had the weather forcast 2 days in advance 02:14 < T_Servo> new orlens just needs to be abandonded.. it is a bad area to have anything 02:15 < engmike> i head planes werent flying in because they werent full (not profitable) so people couldnt get on planes to fly out 02:16 <+TheBean> I read that 4 per hour were coming into the airport today 02:16 <+TheBean> in a newspaper 02:17 < engmike> not commercial planes though right? 02:17 <+TheBean> pass 02:17 < engmike> oh really? 02:17 <+TheBean> didn't say 02:17 < T_Servo> only have one problem now... we are in the middle of hurricane season 02:17 < engmike> but not before the storm right? 02:17 <+TheBean> but I heard on CNN that AA and southwest were doing stuff, didn't give details though 02:17 < T_Servo> AA and Southwest and taking refugies out 02:17 <+TheBean> it was today's newspaper so I guess the news in it is 24hrs or so out of date 02:18 * T_Servo has relation down there.. they got far enough out where they have power and internet access 02:19 <+nhv> OK finally the code is modified again and the projection info looks helf decent Have started a reprojection run for real 02:19 < T_Servo> they said it will be at least a month before they let anyone into the city again to see what damage is done 02:19 < engmike> see i dont know about my friend 02:19 <+TheBean> I hope all the people you guys know down there are alright 02:19 <+TheBean> eek 02:19 < engmike> last heard from her the 23rd 02:19 < T_Servo> nhv: about 5-6 hours then till it is "ready"? 02:20 <+nhv> hopefully if I stay up that long 02:20 < T_Servo> 5-6 hours from now... 3-4am.. isn't that when you get UP? 02:21 <+nhv> more likely I will do a section and check it and if OK will then start a batch file and look at it when I get up 02:21 < T_Servo> that sounds like a good plan 02:21 < T_Servo> hate to have it be all screwed up 02:21 < T_Servo> nhv: nowak is going to serve it out of WWC then? 02:22 <+nhv> FWI it takes about 20 secs per image but I still need to mae some other index files before I can start serving it 02:22 <+nhv> and the WMS doesn't have a Squid cache in place yet so it may be a while before it is WW ready 02:23 <+nhv> but it should be on a Mapserver site sometime tommorrow AM EST 02:23 <+nhv> and the WMS will follow shortly thereafter 02:23 < T_Servo> give nowak 15 minutes I bet ;) 02:24 <+nhv> todo what 02:24 < T_Servo> have it served in WW 02:24 < T_Servo> he has been itching all evening 02:24 <+nhv> hmm I should probably make him a tarball of all the Imagery abd let him serve it to WW 02:25 < T_Servo> lol 02:25 <+nhv> hmmm not a bad idea 02:25 < T_Servo> I 02:25 < T_Servo> I "think" that's what he has been waiting on... not sure 02:25 <+nhv> Nowak you alive !! 02:25 <+Nowak> yup 02:26 <+nhv> if I gave you a tarball could you serve this in a WW friendly way 02:26 <+nhv> non WMS 02:26 <+Nowak> yup, now ? 02:26 <+nhv> no I finally kicked off a build for real 02:27 <+Nowak> how long ? 02:27 <+Nowak> and do you have any samples ? 02:27 <+nhv> if it looks good I should be able to give you a tarball in 10 12 hours or so 02:27 <+nhv> hang on I will get a sample posted 02:33 <+nhv> prism.sdsu.edu:81/tmp/24331604.tif.tgz 02:33 <+nhv> haven't looked at it my self yet 02:34 <+Nowak> thats one img ? 02:34 <+nhv> yes 02:34 <+Nowak> cause i want at least two ;) 02:34 <+nhv> k 02:34 <+Nowak> to see how well they are aligned 02:35 <+Nowak> tar: 24331604.tif: time stamp Sep 3 02:44 2005 is 579 s in the future 02:35 <+Nowak> hehe :D 02:36 <+Nowak> Pixel Size = (0.00000392,-0.00000341) 02:36 <+Nowak> not square ? weird 02:36 <+nhv> they are good enough I think not perfect but hopefully when NOS sees these they will get us the rest of the georeferencing data 02:36 <+nhv> not square wierd 02:37 <+Nowak> and its with overviews, 2x larger 02:37 <+nhv> well I need the overviews I guess I could make you some with out them 02:38 <+nhv> if that is what you want 02:38 <+Nowak> if each is 35MB then that will be at least 50GB to transfer over internet 02:38 <+nhv> don't kow why the pixel isn't square though 02:39 <+nhv> they compress 02:39 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_ (n=chatzill@205.208.133.249) 02:39 <+Nowak> 35 is compressed 02:39 <+Nowak> lol 02:39 <+nhv> hav you got OSSIM running yet ? 02:39 <+Nowak> nope 02:39 <+Nowak> I think ill just get linux bin and run it in compat mode ;) 02:40 <+nhv> oops something is wrong that file is way too large I think 02:41 <+Nowak> its 4k x 4k 02:41 <+Nowak> so 16meg * 3 + overviews 02:41 <+nhv> how does it look 02:42 <+Nowak> http://pinky.worldwindcentral.net/24331604.jpg 02:42 <+nhv> yes :-) 02:44 < T_Servo_> pretty cool 02:47 * nhv kicking off rest of processing run 02:47 < T_Servo_> amazing work there nhv :) 02:48 <+nhv> I have just been the greese building on the shoulders of giants as they say 02:48 <+Nowak> nhv: gimmie another img 02:49 < T_Servo_> I'll just claim credit for the idea of doing this >.< 02:49 < T_Servo_> nowak sounds like my 5 year old ;) 02:49 <+Nowak> or yet better, get me them on the fly, streamlined :D 02:49 <+nhv> bah you think that every one else wasn't thinking the same thing :-) 02:49 < T_Servo_> No damnit! Just me >.< 02:50 <+nhv> Nowak you on a fat pipe ? 02:50 < T_Servo_> Hmm, they are filling up a 26' uhaul truck with donations for N.O. 02:51 >> SignOff: T_Servo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 02:51 <+nhv> hang on I will tar up acell for you 02:52 <+Nowak> nhv: should be full 100mbit incoming 02:52 <+nhv> k am making good size tarball for you 02:53 <+nhv> it will ne a minute 02:53 <+nhv> or 2 :-) 02:53 >> #worldwind JOIN Akiro_Roxo (n=c8b4bdb0@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 02:55 >> SignOff: Akiro_Roxo (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 02:58 <+nhv> Nowak making tarball with 60 images 02:58 <+nhv> coing to take a bit 02:58 <+nhv> going 02:59 < T_Servo_> later nhv 03:00 <+nhv> cu 03:02 <+Nowak> http://tileservice.worldwindcentral.org/?T=kat&L=5&X=1030&Y=1368 03:04 <+nhv> nice :-) 03:04 * T_Servo_ nods 03:05 <+Nowak> wish we had some older data too for comparison 03:06 < T_Servo_> 1-meter stuff 03:06 < T_Servo_> and my complete urban area has New Orleans Dec 2002 0.3m BW 03:10 <+Nowak> http://www.maris.state.ms.us/HTM/DataWarehouse/NAIP.htm 03:10 <+Nowak> missisipi 03:10 <+Nowak> need 2 more :D 03:12 < T_Servo_> nowak: this right? 03:12 < T_Servo_> tileservice.worldwindcentral.org/?T 03:12 < T_Servo_> kat 03:13 <+Nowak> yea 03:14 < T_Servo_> ok 03:14 <+Nowak> 'levels' => 12, 03:14 <+Nowak> 'baseTileSize' => 2.8125 03:14 <+Nowak> dsname will change, its just for now 03:15 <+nhv> hmm this should get us the proper georefeerencing from NOS :-) 03:15 <+nhv> Nowak and T_Servo check PM 03:16 < T_Servo_> got it 03:16 < T_Servo_> I don;t see a baseTileSize in the xml file... 03:16 < T_Servo_> LevelZeroTileSizeDegrees maybe? 03:17 <+nhv> I expect a 1-300 meter problem due to our guessing at the georeferencing info 03:17 <+nhv> this is what I am seeing 03:17 <+nhv> in the range of what I am seeing 03:17 < T_Servo_> do we have new orleans as well? Or just not processed yet 03:17 <+nhv> not processed 03:17 <+nhv> soon 03:17 <+Nowak> guessing ? 03:17 < T_Servo_> ok 03:18 < T_Servo_> Lens issues nhv? 03:18 <+Nowak> pinky.worldwindcentral.org/kat.txt is not accurate enough ? 03:18 <+nhv> partially and also the exact heading of the plane 03:18 <+nhv> Nowak correct 03:19 < T_Servo_> nowak: what lat/long area do you have covered? 03:19 <+nhv> we can't determine exactly where the look at point is without more info 03:20 <+Nowak> nhv: isnt that the offset thing ? 03:21 <+nhv> that is just a crude guess 03:21 <+nhv> really need the ECF and the attitude of the Plane 03:24 < T_Servo_> ok.. the XML I am working on is WAY wrong and causes faults in WW 03:24 <+Nowak> nhv: maybe run some image sticking proggie on it ? 03:24 < T_Servo_> hmm 03:24 <+Nowak> and then manually align the big chunk 03:25 <+Nowak> stitching :D 03:26 <+nhv> ya that could work but I think Mango will come up with the rest of what we need 03:26 <+nhv> :-) 03:26 <+Nowak> nhv: can you make a little bigger tcp send buffer ? 03:26 <+Nowak> :D 03:26 <+nhv> huh not fat enough :-) 03:26 < T_Servo_> gawd.. idiot 03:27 < T_Servo_> I forgot the http:// 03:27 < T_Servo_> nowak: you have any idea what the bounding box cords are? 03:28 <+Nowak> with a 70ms delay its pretty much important ;) 03:29 <+Nowak> Upper Left ( -89.4337708, 30.2639107) ( 89d26'1.57"W, 30d15'50.08"N) 03:29 <+Nowak> Lower Left ( -89.4337708, 30.2481689) ( 89d26'1.57"W, 30d14'53.41"N) 03:29 <+Nowak> Upper Right ( -89.4156920, 30.2639107) ( 89d24'56.49"W, 30d15'50.08"N) 03:29 <+Nowak> Lower Right ( -89.4156920, 30.2481689) ( 89d24'56.49"W, 30d14'53.41"N) 03:30 < T_Servo_> will that be for all the imagery? 03:31 <+Nowak> no, just that one 03:32 < T_Servo_> ok 03:33 < T_Servo_> hmm 03:33 < T_Servo_> does the imagery from noaa go up to Baton Rouge/ 03:33 < T_Servo_> and over to mobile? 03:34 <+nhv> you can check it out on their site goes along the coast from the mouth of the Missisip to Pascagoula 03:34 <+nhv> They could well be flying more 03:35 <+Nowak> nhv: it is at 800KB/s, get the buffer to sth like 500kb :D 03:36 <+nhv> hmm I will ask the sysadm to up the buffer tomorrow not my machine 03:36 <+nhv> don't feel like mucking there even if I have sudo 03:37 >> #worldwind JOIN Gfx (i=rguy_@c-24-4-254-129.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 03:38 < T_Servo_> yea 03:38 <+nhv> w00t just finished al the scenes now let me build some indices 03:38 < T_Servo_> I think mango said it would be increasing by a few thousand images a day or so 03:38 <+nhv> no prob seems I can process 1000 images an hour :-) 03:39 < T_Servo_> nice 03:39 <+Nowak> nhv: you said 10 - 12 hours lol 03:39 < T_Servo_> your making nowak jealous ;) 03:39 <+nhv> that's only with 4 ponys have 4 more cpus if needed :-) 03:39 * T_Servo_ puts a bib on nowak 03:40 <+Nowak> nhv: got nfs there ? 03:40 <+nhv> yes but ... can set that up tomorrow 03:40 <+nhv> not tonight 03:40 <+nhv> need to introduce you to sysadm 03:41 <+nhv> :-) 03:41 < T_Servo_> hehe 03:41 < T_Servo_> nhv: you want to punish you sysadmin for some reason? 03:41 <+nhv> ROTFL 03:41 <+nhv> :-) 03:43 < T_Servo_> hehe 03:43 < T_Servo_> ok, I have an XML ready I think 03:44 < T_Servo_> I have 2 urban area layer in it for a "before" comparison 03:44 < T_Servo_> new orleans and Baton Rouge 03:44 < T_Servo_> unlessnowak found more 03:44 <+Nowak> ftp://www.maris.state.ms.us/NAIP_2004/South/ 03:44 >> #worldwind JOIN dumdumhead (n=8fe8ea01@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 03:44 <+Nowak> getting 3 counties 03:44 < T_Servo_> ok 03:44 < T_Servo_> going to run them off WWC then? 03:45 < T_Servo_> heya chris 03:45 < dumdumhead> hey hey 03:45 < dumdumhead> just read the logs 03:46 < T_Servo_> dumdum: check this out: http://pinky.worldwindcentral.net/24331604.jpg and http://tileservice.worldwindcentral.org/?T=kat&L=5&X=1030&Y=1368 03:46 < dumdumhead> nhv: good work 03:46 <+Nowak> dumdumhead: got anything to stitch photos ? 03:46 <+nhv> georeferencing sucks yet but we will fix that 03:47 < dumdumhead> ermapper 03:48 < dumdumhead> gdal can do it too with gdalwarp 03:48 <+Nowak> http://www.ptgui.com/info/photo_stitching.html 03:48 <+Nowak> sth like that 03:49 < dumdumhead> ah...non gis 03:49 < dumdumhead> color balancing too? =b 03:49 <+nhv> chris check PM 03:49 <+Nowak> just to make them aligned 03:50 <+Nowak> and it has to work with BIG images 03:50 <+nhv> will do color balancing once we have proper georef info 03:50 <+nhv> we mosaic imagery from this camera system routinely with good results just need to get the rest of the meta data 03:51 <+nhv> but thi si squick and dirty but effective 03:52 < dumdumhead> Nowak: on my mars project, we were thinking of using a software like that to stitch mars satellite images 03:53 < T_Servo_> ok, my XML works 03:56 < dumdumhead> hm...i should really fix the camera jitter bug if we're going to showcase this katrina imagery 03:59 < T_Servo_> yep, you better 03:59 >> T_Servo_ is now known as T_Servo 04:02 * dumdumhead is having fun playing with multi-texturing of image layers 04:02 < dumdumhead> math is fun 04:03 < dumdumhead> =b 04:04 <+Nowak> dumdumhead: ever looked at projections plugin ? 04:06 < dumdumhead> yeah 04:07 < dumdumhead> but it would be very hard to efficiently render 2 different, overlapping projections 04:08 < dumdumhead> maybe in the next 1.5 version, we can spec out a choice of projections that is used 04:08 <+Nowak> If you ignore elevation inaccuracy then very simple actually 04:08 < dumdumhead> there's more to it than just that 04:08 < dumdumhead> you would get severe rendering artifacts 04:09 < dumdumhead> to render a surface, you need a unified surface mesh 04:09 <+Nowak> Not realy, just clear z buffer every layer 04:09 * dumdumhead will wait to see it 04:11 < dumdumhead> I've also noticed that multipass rendering of image layers is very inefficient, which is why I'm working on a multi-texturing solution right now 04:12 < dumdumhead> this was especially clear with the shape file support that I was building 04:12 < T_Servo> chris: think I could a bad bug 04:12 < dumdumhead> since I imagine people turning on multiple shape files 04:13 < dumdumhead> T_Servo: is that english? =b 04:13 < T_Servo> that too 04:13 < T_Servo> :P 04:13 < T_Servo> 12am here :P 04:13 < dumdumhead> ehe 04:13 < dumdumhead> hehe 04:13 <+Nowak> dumdumhead: render them all into one texture 04:13 < T_Servo> http://tileservice.worldwindcentral.org/ <-- take out the http:// and try to use the layer 04:14 < dumdumhead> layers change dynamically and rapidly, which could cause inefficiencies in that too 04:14 < dumdumhead> but i did think of that 04:14 < dumdumhead> for instance, the WMS animations require quick texture changes 04:14 <+Nowak> dumdumhead: render to texture, its supported since gf1 afaik 04:15 < dumdumhead> i don't think render to texture wouldn't be able to do the WMS animations, but then again, i haven't tried 04:15 <+Nowak> animations has nothing to do with graphics, its all about how fast you can read ;) 04:16 < dumdumhead> u still need to render a constantly changing texture (50ms) into a texture 04:16 < dumdumhead> and then render the texture 04:16 <+Nowak> noo, render to texture for shapefiles 04:16 < dumdumhead> and possibly 7 other images will need to be rendered in that texture 04:16 < dumdumhead> well, I'm using the GDI+ to make textures 04:16 * Nowak wonders how slow is that ;) 04:17 < dumdumhead> faster than loading images from disk 04:17 < dumdumhead> =b 04:17 < dumdumhead> it severely slowed down my new terrain renderer, so I'm optimizing that now. =) 04:17 < T_Servo> nowak, dumdumhead, nhv: Would it be worth while to break up some of this katrina imagery so we have a week 1, week 2, week 3.. ect, ect. Depending on what noaa is doing flyover wise? 04:17 <+Nowak> T_Servo: i dont think they will be doing it for that long 04:17 <+nhv> I think you guys shoul dwait till I have the Katrina Imagery better georefed 04:18 < dumdumhead> shapefile data in RAM => GDI+ => stream => texture takes less than 50ms 04:18 < T_Servo> nhv: just tossing out ideas ^.^ 04:18 <+nhv> hopefully once Mango sees whay I need the real deal we will get it 04:18 <+Nowak> dumdumhead: how long is the gdi part ? :D 04:18 < dumdumhead> hehe, fast enough for me. =) 04:18 < T_Servo> nhv: true enough 04:18 <+Nowak> cause 50ms is slow ... 04:18 < dumdumhead> i wasn't sure what to expect actually 04:18 < dumdumhead> 50ms is faster than disk reads 04:19 < T_Servo> maybe we should CNN know about this... put WW on CNN 50 times a day with links to WWC ;) 04:19 <+Nowak> dumdumhead: you said that you have the data in ram 04:19 <+Nowak> 50ms to draw a few lines and polys is too much 04:20 < dumdumhead> I don't know the exact time, but it's definitely fast enough to be considered real-time 04:20 < dumdumhead> especially when compared to the time it takes to load landsat imagery and elevation from disk or the net 04:20 <+Nowak> dumdumhead: just try to make it with d3d and render to texture 04:21 <+Nowak> gdi is probably all software mode 04:21 < dumdumhead> Nowak: I can look into i 04:21 < dumdumhead> it 04:21 < dumdumhead> GDI is only used once per tile, so it's not bad 04:21 <+Nowak> another thing, multitexturing, do you realy think it will help ? 04:21 < dumdumhead> and once it's made the texture, it's all hardware from there 04:21 < dumdumhead> I've already got a prototype working 04:21 <+Nowak> older gfx cards dont support it, newer dont need it as they are fast enough in single texture 04:22 < dumdumhead> when you are trying to render the equivalent of 8-15 images per tiled-area, multi-texturing is a significant advance 04:22 < dumdumhead> otherwise, it'd be 8-15 rendering passes 04:23 < dumdumhead> which is slow 04:23 <+Nowak> well, cpu side slow 04:23 <+Nowak> gpu is a realy fast thing 04:24 < dumdumhead> exactly, and multi-texturing is done on the gpu, multi-pass rendering should be consider cpu 04:24 <+Nowak> no, its more like cpu / layer 04:24 <+Nowak> for multi-texturing you need tex coords / later too 04:25 < dumdumhead> so far, my tests show that multi-texturing will speed up rendering by a factor equal to the number of simultaneous texture the card supports 04:25 < dumdumhead> so, in my laptop's geforce4, that's 8x 04:26 < dumdumhead> of course, it depends also on how many image layer you have open too 04:26 <+Nowak> yup, but it is fast enough in single texture mode 04:26 < dumdumhead> it's not fast enough in single texture mode 04:26 <+Nowak> and when you enable 10 layers bottleneck will be the texture sizes 04:26 * nhv thinks that DDHead should test his code on a geForce2 04:26 <+Nowak> you will need like 512mb gfx ram 04:26 < dumdumhead> we have a GF2 in the office 04:27 <+nhv> use that as your target machine then :-) 04:27 < dumdumhead> actually, with smart texture management, you can have quite a few layers on 04:27 < dumdumhead> depends on the type of image layer 04:27 < dumdumhead> 8 quad tile layers might be taxing 04:27 < dumdumhead> but 8 global textures isn't 04:28 < dumdumhead> in the case of shapefiles, you could easily have 8 layers on for boundaries, timezones, etcs 04:29 < dumdumhead> nhv: trying to make the engine scale with the hardware...if you have a bum card, then you'll have to make do with the limitations, while people with nice cards can really make the app scream 04:29 <+Nowak> you wont make every vector later separate texture ... 04:29 <+nhv> isn't the target audiece schools :-) 04:30 < dumdumhead> to provide a generic interface, you have to keep things separated 04:30 < dumdumhead> nhv: hehe...well, technically, the only school we have tested this in is a NASA explorer school. they have nice stuff 04:30 < dumdumhead> =b 04:31 < dumdumhead> but actually, education is getting shafted in NASA, so we might be moving divisions (if we aren't cut entirely) 04:31 <+nhv> true but most of the interesting NASA divisions want Mac or Nix :-) 04:32 < dumdumhead> for me, as long as the program works reasonably well on older cards, i'm happy. but i won't ignore advance hardware features 04:32 <+nhv> if this is for in house stuff 04:32 < dumdumhead> nhv: 1.5 will be cross-platform 04:32 <+Nowak> dumdumhead: sure :D 04:32 <+nhv> 1.4.999999 04:33 < dumdumhead> Tom Gaskins (and us) are making cross-platform an important design goal 04:33 <+nhv> cool 04:33 < dumdumhead> which means probably mono.net, and a rendering engine that uses directx or opengl 04:33 < dumdumhead> 04:34 < dumdumhead> we are also focusing on extensibility of the app, and backwards compatibility (for everything after 1.5) 04:34 <+nhv> hmm I have a Python version of osgPlanet running cross platform :-) 04:35 * nhv thinks Python is pprobably even easier to program then .net 04:35 < dumdumhead> i believe DX is at least 10% faster on windows for complex rendering scenes, and microsoft will be very unhappy if we ditch it, so we want to try to leave that in the cards 04:35 < dumdumhead> if possible 04:37 < dumdumhead> 1.5 will be completely new code, so there's no reason to think that it won't be cross-platform 04:37 < dumdumhead> but we do have to be sensitive to the folks at MS since they have been very nice to us 04:37 <+nhv> heard a runmor that the head of NGA's son showed him GE recently and he called a big meeting and wanted to know why NGA didn't have something comparable 04:37 < dumdumhead> we're talking with NGA right now 04:37 < dumdumhead> they are very excited over WW 04:38 < T_Servo> tell them that GE is the work of Satan 04:38 < dumdumhead> and randy and patrick went to the NGA headquarters to demo it 04:38 <+nhv> and orher apps as well :-) 04:38 < dumdumhead> back in june or something 04:38 < dumdumhead> one guy over at NGA that we're talking to is interested in getting WW to support DTED elevation files 04:39 <+nhv> hard another rumor that NGA was only interested in apps that had an ellipsoidal model 04:39 < dumdumhead> no clue on that one, just know that they like us. =) 04:39 <+nhv> hmm I sent that email to Patrick back in early June :-) 04:39 <+Nowak> http://www.remotesensing.org/gdal/frmt_dted.html 04:40 <+nhv> FYI DTED is the native terrain format for osgPlanet 04:40 < T_Servo> sheesh: The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers estimated Friday that it will take 36 to 80 days to drain the city. 04:40 < dumdumhead> Nowak: yeah, I sent him a list of questions today about how he wanted to use the DTED (locally, remote...) 04:40 <+nhv> do both lready 04:41 < dumdumhead> well, DTED doesn't have a level-of-detail built in, so i need to ask him about that 04:41 < dumdumhead> (er..i did ask him about that, awaiting response) 04:41 * nhv is trying to gt DDHead to see some of the advantages of building on a preexisting engine :-) 04:41 < dumdumhead> guy's name is John Harvey btw 04:41 < T_Servo> nhv: we have to go subliminal I think 04:41 <+nhv> Cool glad to see he is asking the 'right' questions :-) 04:42 < dumdumhead> nhv: yup, but I'm young and stupid. =D Adam does the same thing though, so it'll hit me one day 04:42 < T_Servo> how about we just hit you now? ;) 04:42 < dumdumhead> adam tries to get me to use pre-built stuff...but I like to build stuff myself, I learn more and it's fun (for now) 04:43 < dumdumhead> T_Servo: gotta catch me first =b 04:43 * dumdumhead jumps on his ducati and fires her up 04:43 <+nhv> understood but more produtive to build on shoulders of giants :-) 04:43 < dumdumhead> yup...I do see the logic 04:43 >> SignOff: NeoThermic (Connection reset by peer) [#worldwind] 04:43 >> #worldwind JOIN NeoThermic (n=NeoTherm@82-34-163-40.cable.ubr02.maid.blueyonder.co.uk) 04:44 * dumdumhead is still waiting for his gf to finish studying before relaxing 04:44 <+nhv> yikes almost 01:00 better get some sleep have to finsh staging a lot of data tomorrow AM 04:44 <+nhv> nite all 04:44 <+Nowak> nhv: lol 04:44 < T_Servo> G, PG, R, or X rated relaxing? 04:44 < dumdumhead> nite 04:44 < T_Servo> night nhv 04:44 <+Nowak> 6:44am ... 04:45 < T_Servo> nowak: well, your a freak anyway ;) 04:45 <+Nowak> I thought everyone here was ... 04:45 < T_Servo> anyone want the katrina XML before I go to bed as well? 04:46 < dumdumhead> think I'll wait till nhv has the good imagery ready 04:46 <+nhv> what you guys got that up already :-) 04:46 < T_Servo> what do you think? 04:46 < T_Servo> it is only that one tiny area though 04:46 < T_Servo> but for the most part.. it is ready to go 04:46 <+nhv> ya I am hanging on to the rest for a NGA demo next week :-) 04:47 <+nhv> kidding 04:47 < T_Servo> :P 04:47 <+nhv> can you send a copy to nhv at cape dot com please 04:47 < T_Servo> ok 04:48 < T_Servo> nowak: are you going to put that mississippi imagery up on WWC? 04:48 <+Nowak> yup 04:48 < T_Servo> ok 04:48 < T_Servo> I'll add that to the katrina XML when you have that done 04:49 <+nhv> FYI the tools that build the Katrina stuff is part of the code that osgPlanet is built ontop of 04:50 < T_Servo> sending now nhv 04:50 <+nhv> thx chad 04:50 < T_Servo> welcome 04:51 <+nhv> k g'nite for real this time 04:51 < dumdumhead> looks like geforce2 MX can do 4 simultaneous textures 04:51 < T_Servo> once nowak has a the miss imagery up and the katrina stuff .. I'll release it 04:51 < T_Servo> night 04:51 < dumdumhead> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=1316 04:51 < T_Servo> ok, I am passing out now too 04:51 < dumdumhead> time for ice cream 04:51 < dumdumhead> =) 04:51 < T_Servo> back in 6 hours :) 04:51 < dumdumhead> nite 04:51 < T_Servo> night 04:52 >> SignOff: dumdumhead (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 04:52 <+Nowak> hmm 04:52 * Nowak needs proj line for mississippi 04:55 <+Nowak> what utm zone it is ? 04:56 <+nhv> read teh .txt files in the ftp dir eg ftp://www.maris.state.ms.us/NAIP_2004/South/wayne.txt 04:56 <+nhv> but you need to do this for each .sid file 04:57 <+nhv> then grep /usr/local/share/proj/epsg for mississippi to get the appropriate ESPG # 04:57 <+nhv> make sure you get feet ot meters correct 04:59 <+Nowak> none match epsg 05:01 <+nhv> well use the ptoj string as a template adding the aappropriate central meridean 05:01 <+nhv> eg -87.0 instead of -88.33333333 05:02 <+Nowak> Grid_Coordinate_System_Name: Universal Transverse Mercator 05:02 <+Nowak> Universal_Transverse_Mercator: 05:02 <+Nowak> UTM_Zone_Number: 16 05:02 <+Nowak> Transverse_Mercator: 05:02 <+Nowak> looks like standard utm ... 05:03 <+adamhill> katrina will probably be UTM 15-17 05:04 <+Nowak> +proj=tmerc +zone=16 will work ? 05:04 <+nhv> maybe 05:04 <+Nowak> hmm, nope 05:04 <+Nowak> argh :D 05:05 <+nhv> use the template method I suggested 05:05 <+Nowak> +proj=utm +zone=16 05:05 <+Nowak> works 05:05 <+Nowak> k 05:05 <+nhv> also if this is in feet not metersuse 05:05 <+nhv> +to_meter=0.3048006096012192 05:05 <+nhv> cool 05:05 <+Nowak> standard utm, meters, they are very nice ;) 05:06 <+nhv> USStates are not very standard :-) 05:06 <+nhv> argh nhv goes to bed 05:08 <+adamhill> nite 05:12 >> SignOff: T_Servo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [#worldwind] 05:15 <+Nowak> http://tileservice.worldwindcentral.org/?T=us.naip2004&L=1&X=64&Y=85 05:17 <+Nowak> well, me goes to bed lol 05:30 >> SignOff: engmike (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 06:52 >> SignOff: mazzanet (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 06:53 Netsplit over, joins: mazzanet 07:10 >> Va7srt is now known as GhostWolf 07:17 >> #worldwind JOIN Seyss (n=0cd29d9d@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 07:18 < Seyss> hey 07:19 >> SignOff: Seyss (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 07:42 >> #worldwind JOIN nosilleg (n=nosilleg@222-152-184-64.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 07:46 >> GhostWolf is now known as Va7srt 08:00 >> #worldwind JOIN piotr-- (n=Jean_FIL@AOrleans-152-1-34-43.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08:08 >> #worldwind JOIN mazop (n=mazop@dsl-148-82.utaonline.at) 08:18 >> SignOff: piotr`loin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 08:29 >> #worldwind JOIN spacechicken (n=chatzill@220-245-72-229-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 08:29 < spacechicken> evening all 08:29 < nosilleg> hey sc 08:29 < mazop> g'morning 08:30 < spacechicken> what's new? 08:30 < nosilleg> spacechicken: you on the dev list? 08:31 < spacechicken> yeah - I haven't had a chance to reply to the email yet. Been a busy few days 08:31 < nosilleg> I just posted something new. 08:31 < nosilleg> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Road_Map 08:32 < mazop> news? ...hmmm.... read the meeting-log.. http://www.worldwindcentral.com/chat/irclog/worldwind-meeting/2005-09-01.log 08:32 < mazop> ;) 08:33 < spacechicken> wtf happened to 1.4? 08:33 < nosilleg> It's been dropped. 1.5 will be after 1.3. 08:33 < mazop> hey nosilleg....... you are the 'master of wiki' right ? 08:33 < spacechicken> why? 08:33 < nosilleg> mazop: yeah, I guess. :-) 08:34 < nosilleg> spacechicken: refocus. Chris has moved some stuff from 1.4 into 1.3. 1.5 will be a better base to build upon. 08:36 < mazop> ok..... i was rollingout a ittle addon some days ago (hwo is having access to internet).....and i tryed to add it to the wiki-addon-list.......but was getting confused..... cant remember how it works...... ;) 08:36 < nosilleg> mazop: :-) I noticed that. Gimme a second.... 08:37 < mazop> you can have many seconds.... no problem;) 08:37 < mazop> so you do the updates of the list ? 08:37 >> SignOff: _adam_gfx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 08:37 < nosilleg> What's the name of the add-on? 08:38 < nosilleg> Yeah, when I remember. 08:38 >> #worldwind JOIN _adam_gfx (n=adamhill@c-24-1-149-167.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) 08:38 < mazop> hmmmmmm...... call it 'Internet Users'.... 08:39 >> #worldwind JOIN [1]adamhill (n=adamhill@c-24-1-149-167.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) 08:40 < nosilleg> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Internet_Users 08:42 < nosilleg> mazop: you might also want to use the add-on template. see OneEarth for an example. http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/OneEarth 08:46 < mazop> heya nosilleg..... thanks.... what a great service ;) 08:47 < nosilleg> :-) 08:47 < mazop> btw.... have you 1. head running on our machine ? 08:47 < mazop> 1.4..i mean 08:48 < mazop> i would like to know what framerate others have running in 1.4 ..... 08:50 < mazop> ....and......anyone already saw the NGBM ? is there a running server for testing ? 08:52 * mazop reading 'road map'......hmmmm ..... when chris will merge 1.4head into 1.3.3 ? 08:53 >> SignOff: adamhill (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 08:53 >> [1]adamhill is now known as adamhill 08:57 < nosilleg> mazop: chris has already moved some code from 1.4 into 1.3. I don't think there will be any additional code migration. 08:57 < nosilleg> I am running 1.3.2. 08:59 < mazop> the last merge chris did is weeks ago....anyway......ithink he was talking about 'a big load of fresh code' within the next days... ;) 08:59 < nosilleg> Yeah, that's the additional stuff for 1.3.3 listed on the road map. 09:00 < mazop> ...and NGBM ? possible to see/test ? 09:00 * mazop really looking forward to see..... 09:01 < nosilleg> NGBM? Next Generation Blue Marble? 09:01 < mazop> yep.. 09:01 < nosilleg> Nope. Once that code dump happens it'll be available. 09:02 < mazop> ok.... 09:59 < nosilleg> Nowak: ping 10:06 >> SignOff: _adam_gfx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 10:06 >> #worldwind JOIN _adam_gfx (n=adamhill@c-24-1-149-167.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) 10:08 >> #worldwind JOIN [1]adamhill (n=adamhill@c-24-1-149-167.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) 10:24 >> SignOff: adamhill (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 10:24 >> [1]adamhill is now known as adamhill 10:36 >> #worldwind JOIN Puuhis_ (i=puuhis@puuhis.net) 10:36 >> SignOff: Puuhis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 11:01 >> #worldwind JOIN Dorothy (n=da9f26b5@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 11:01 < Dorothy> -_- 11:02 < Dorothy> ? 11:02 < nosilleg> hello 11:02 < Dorothy> hellow 11:02 < Dorothy> ? 11:02 < Dorothy> ^^ 11:03 < Dorothy> ÈÞ¿ì. 11:03 < Dorothy> ¤» 11:03 < Dorothy> ¹¹ÇÏ´Â °Å¾ß ¸»µµ ¾øÀÝ¾Æ 11:04 < Dorothy> -_-^ÁøÂ¥ ±Ã±ÝÇϳ×; 11:04 < nosilleg> Sorry, English only. 11:05 < Dorothy> Ah.. 11:05 < Dorothy> I'm from Korea 11:05 < Dorothy> ^^ 11:06 < Dorothy> I don't speak English..; 11:06 < Dorothy> Umm// 11:08 < nosilleg> I don't speak Korean. 11:08 < Dorothy> ^^ 11:09 < Dorothy> Where are you from? 11:09 < nosilleg> New Zealand 11:09 < nosilleg> Sorry I have to leave now. 11:09 < nosilleg> Bye. 11:10 >> #worldwind PART nosilleg (n=nosilleg@222-152-184-64.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) () 11:11 >> SignOff: Dorothy (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 11:14 >> #worldwind JOIN Dorothy (n=da9f26b5@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 11:15 < Dorothy> hello 11:15 >> SignOff: Dorothy (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 11:24 >> #worldwind JOIN pattex (n=pattex@isi-dial-153-124.isionline-dialin.de) 11:27 >> Va7srt is now known as GhostWolf 11:38 >> SignOff: Reene (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 11:39 <+ShockFire> ^^ !! ^^ 11:51 >> #worldwind JOIN IniX (n=53a09b23@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 11:51 < IniX> Hi 11:51 < IniX> I have a question 11:51 < IniX> I am new to NASA World Wind 11:52 < IniX> How do I activate SRTM + LandSat 7 ? 11:53 < mazop> http://alteviltech.com/WorldWind/Tour/ 11:53 < mazop> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Main_Page 11:54 >> #worldwind PART mazop (n=mazop@dsl-148-82.utaonline.at) () 11:56 < IniX> Thanks this really helps 12:02 >> #worldwind JOIN KARA (n=d94bce8a@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 12:02 < KARA> hi 12:02 < KARA> Anyone know how I can measure a distance between 2 cities? 12:04 < KARA> no? ok . thanx 12:16 >> #worldwind JOIN GlobalHot (n=ca059803@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 12:18 <+Nowak> Nowak: ? 12:18 <+Nowak> :D 12:19 >> SignOff: KARA (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 12:20 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_ (n=chatzill@205.208.133.106) 12:20 >> T_Servo_ is now known as T_Servo 12:21 < GlobalHot> When i run the program i get msg "Unable to create the Direct3D device" plz some one help me ? 12:21 < T_Servo> morn all 12:21 < T_Servo> do you have managed directx 9c installed? 12:22 < GlobalHot> yes 12:23 < T_Servo> what is your video card? 12:24 < GlobalHot> intel 82815 Graphics Controller 12:24 < T_Servo> oooph 12:25 < GlobalHot> ? 12:25 < T_Servo> I think that card JUST barely falls in the "suported" range 12:25 < GlobalHot> so i have to change the Card ? 12:26 < T_Servo> yea 12:26 < T_Servo> Intel cards just work 12:26 < GlobalHot> Which one should i get ? 12:28 < T_Servo> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/ 12:28 < T_Servo> click on the knowledgebase link 12:28 < T_Servo> there is a "supported video card" list 12:29 < GlobalHot> there r just 3 in that list ? 12:29 < T_Servo> pretty long list 12:38 >> SignOff: GlobalHot (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 12:38 >> #worldwind JOIN GlobalHot (n=ca059803@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 12:49 >> SignOff: GlobalHot (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 12:55 >> #worldwind JOIN redou (n=c1fba9bb@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 12:56 < redou> helo 12:59 >> SignOff: redou (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 13:03 >> SignOff: Christen (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 13:11 >> SignOff: IniX (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 13:26 >> #worldwind JOIN engmike (n=engmike@worldwind/user/EngMike) 13:26 < engmike> http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40076/1 13:36 <+TheBean> haha 13:52 >> GhostWolf is now known as Va7srt 14:10 >> SignOff: _adam_gfx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind] 14:12 >> SignOff: adamhill (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [#worldwind] 14:16 >> #worldwind JOIN _adam_gfx (n=adamhill@c-24-1-149-167.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) 14:30 >> T_Servo is now known as T_Servo_Store 14:43 >> #worldwind JOIN Christen (i=Christen@41.80-202-24.nextgentel.com) 14:44 >> #worldwind JOIN ShockFire2 (n=JBouncer@d80206.ktwaalre.nl) 14:58 >> SignOff: ShockFire (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 15:17 <+Nowak> nhv: here ? 15:18 <+nhv> hey 15:19 <+Nowak> got the metadata ? 15:21 <+nhv> not yet but we are conversing off line about this understandably the ops end of this is completely swamped 15:47 >> SignOff: pattex (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 16:04 <+TheBean> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4204412.stm -- hah 16:04 <+TheBean> a 16:05 >> #worldwind JOIN adamhill (n=adamhill@c-24-1-149-167.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) 16:22 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_Store_ (n=chatzill@205.208.133.139) 16:23 >> #worldwind JOIN Mica (n=51c55704@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 16:24 >> SignOff: Mica (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 16:24 >> #worldwind JOIN Tumpelo (n=51c55704@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 16:26 < Tumpelo> One question. Which one to download. Full install 45 megas, or Blue marble data 124 megas? Or dows I have to download both? 16:33 <+TheBean> If you download the 45Mb version then you won't have the Bluemarble, WW will download it as you view 16:34 < adamhill> if you DL just the 45M one you will pull BM from the web 16:34 <+TheBean> if you download the blue marble pack as well, then WW won't need to download the blue marble as you view it 16:34 <+TheBean> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/World_Wind_FAQ - PR7 16:34 < Tumpelo> Okay. Thanks for the tip. 16:35 < adamhill> which is good down to a few km 16:35 < T_Servo_Store_> gas is creaking downwards 16:35 >> T_Servo_Store_ is now known as T_Servo 16:35 < T_Servo> creaping even 16:37 >> #worldwind JOIN Bull_[UK] (i=MeGA@82-33-118-207.cable.ubr05.stav.blueyonder.co.uk) 16:38 * Bull_[UK] finally finishes reading the logs 16:39 < ShockFire2> so am I still in here? 16:39 < ShockFire2> twice... 16:39 < T_Servo> I guess so 16:40 >> SignOff: T_Servo_Store (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [#worldwind] 16:40 < T_Servo> I see you once 16:40 < ShockFire2> ok, client must have screwed up then 16:41 < Bull_[UK]> Bush has to feel really embaressed having to accept aid from other countries 16:41 < T_Servo> not really 16:43 < ShockFire2> ok, reconnecting seems to have fixed it 16:43 < ShockFire2> I'm ShockFire2 right? 16:43 < Bull_[UK]> he is the world overlord, he's not suppsed to need help :P 16:43 < Bull_[UK]> yep sf2 16:43 >> ShockFire2 is now known as ShockFire 16:44 < engmike> hi 16:45 < Bull_[UK]> http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=1885252005 16:45 < Bull_[UK]> lol 16:46 < Bull_[UK]> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/03/ncancer03.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/09/03/ixhome.html 16:46 >> Mode #worldwind "+v ShockFire" by ChanServ 16:46 <+Nowak> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=New+Orleans&ll=29.952109,-90.074501&spn=0.089866,0.162100&t=e&hl=en 16:46 <+Nowak> hmmm 16:47 <+Nowak> nhv: speed it up :D 16:47 < engmike> its in google earth too 16:47 >> #worldwind JOIN dakitu (n=5123036e@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 16:47 <+ShockFire> stupid trillian takes 6 minutes to join the channel :S 16:48 < Bull_[UK]> damn google 16:49 < Bull_[UK]> ours is better though right? 16:49 < T_Servo> The noaa stuff is 1.5' resolution 16:49 < Bull_[UK]> we need to get on slashdot before google do 16:50 < T_Servo> today 16:50 < T_Servo> I have the XML and icon ready 16:50 < Bull_[UK]> cool 16:51 < Bull_[UK]> hope it helps the aid effort 16:52 < dakitu> is there a manual about the load/unload plug-ins ? 16:52 < engmike> what happened to mashi? 16:52 >> SignOff: Tumpelo (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 16:53 < T_Servo> no idea 16:55 >> #worldwind JOIN TheBeanie (n=thebean@82-45-7-251.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) 17:03 < TheBeanie> o.O 17:03 < TheBeanie> Bull - Blueyonder are doing speed upgrades :D 17:03 < TheBeanie> The 1mbit/128k package will become 4mbit/256k and the 2mbit/245k and 4mbit/256k will become 10mbit/384k :D :D 17:04 <+Nowak> lol 17:04 <+Nowak> 4x increase ? 17:04 < TheBeanie> Yup 17:04 <+Nowak> I WANT THAT :D 17:04 < TheBeanie> Hehehe 17:05 < TheBeanie> I'm on the 1mbit...so I'll go to 4mbit...good enough for me. Mindyou...384k upload could be useful, and it's only 10/mo extra for the 10mbit/384k# 17:06 <+Nowak> its 55$ for 512/128 here ... 17:09 >> SignOff: TheBean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 17:09 < Bull_[UK]> yep Beanie, cool huh :) 17:09 >> SignOff: dakitu (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 17:12 < TheBeanie> Nowak - I'm paying 25/mo for 1mbit/128k atm 17:14 < TheBeanie> = about $50 17:16 <+Nowak> soon 4mbit, so 8x cheaper 17:16 < Bull_[UK]> hehe 17:19 < TheBeanie> Yup 17:19 < TheBeanie> and then for 35 you now get 10mbit/384k 17:20 < TheBeanie> $70 17:20 >> SignOff: engmike (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 17:25 >> #worldwind JOIN pattex (n=pattex@isi-dial-152-191.isionline-dialin.de) 17:29 >> #worldwind JOIN mazop (n=mazop@dsl-148-82.utaonline.at) 17:30 < Bull_[UK]> 4 should be enough for me 17:30 * Bull_[UK] prods mashi 17:30 * Bull_[UK] wants that VE plugin 17:31 * mazop ....like everyone.. ;) 17:31 < Bull_[UK]> hehe 17:31 < Bull_[UK]> how are you mazop? 17:32 < mazop> thanks......weekend=relaxed :) 17:32 < Bull_[UK]> cool :) 17:32 < mazop> why chris isn't coding the VE plugin ? 17:32 < mazop> because plugins are hacks ?? ;) 17:33 * mazop pugins=hacks....quote chris 17:33 < Bull_[UK]> because we all said mashi would do it I think 17:33 < mazop> just mashi didt say that ... 17:33 < mazop> :P 17:33 < Bull_[UK]> heh yep 17:34 < mazop> who is the No1 OS coder this time ? 17:34 < mazop> nht ? shockfire ? 17:34 < mazop> tom ? hehe 17:35 < Bull_[UK]> probably nht 17:35 < Bull_[UK]> ;) 17:35 < Bull_[UK]> Shock is too busy 17:35 < mazop> so maybe force him (nht) for doing the VE thing... 17:35 < Bull_[UK]> gillesk said he would help 17:36 < Bull_[UK]> yeah lets all hassle nht ;) 17:36 < mazop> oh man.... mashi is REALLY missing... :( 17:36 < Bull_[UK]> :( seems so 17:37 < mazop> i think for him the VE plugin would be something he would code in a coffebracke.. ;) 17:37 < mazop> ...brake.. 17:37 < Bull_[UK]> yep, lol 17:38 < Bull_[UK]> mashi is a coding machine 17:38 < mazop> bll, do you have ay idea about how to 'preview' the NGBM ? 17:38 < mazop> ...cant wait to see it.....;) 17:39 < mazop> chris was talking about, that the progressing runs.....he schould setup a server like he did for Geocover2000.... 17:39 < mazop> ;= 17:40 < Bull_[UK]> I dont think Chris is allowed to release it yet, he has to wait for it to be officially launched 17:40 < Bull_[UK]> nhv knows more ;) 17:40 < mazop> was not asking for a release......just alpha/beta testing...hehe 17:40 < T_Servo> thought we said adam would do it 17:41 < mazop> ahhhh....yep.....whats going on with the nhv/nowak's roject ? 17:41 < mazop> hi tom.... 17:41 < Bull_[UK]> yeah I dont think he is even allowed to show screenshots 17:41 < mazop> (19:35:01) mazop: who is the No1 OS coder this time ? 17:41 < mazop> (19:35:14) mazop: nht ? shockfire ? 17:41 < mazop> (19:35:20) mazop: tom ? hehe 17:42 < mazop> sorry for that tom... ;) 17:43 <+Nowak> mazop: waiting for better metadata 17:43 <+nhv> ngBM is under wraps until NASA officially releases it was amazed that DD mentioned it by name 17:43 < mazop> transfor problems ? 17:44 < mazop> ;) @ nhv 17:44 < mazop> ohh... so NGBM is a big BIG secret... ;P 17:46 <+Nowak> http://tileservice.worldwindcentral.org/?T=us.naip2004&L=1&X=64&Y=85 17:46 <+Nowak> one more county 17:47 < mazop> ?? nowak....whats that ??? 17:48 < mazop> nowak: are you watching the game today ? 17:50 < mazop> poland against austria (wm qualifying)= big fun... ..especially for poland i fear... 17:50 < T_Servo> nowak: who is us.naip2004? 17:50 < T_Servo> somewhere in mississippi? 17:51 < TheBeanie> > Idle: 1 Hour 1 Minutes and 25 Seconds 17:51 < TheBeanie> mashi is alive, somewher 17:51 < mashi> hello world! 17:51 < mazop> hello mashi :) 17:52 < T_Servo> ACK! 17:52 < T_Servo> it seaks! 17:52 < T_Servo> speaks even 17:52 < mazop> alive.....even on planet ww.....hehe 17:53 < Bull_[UK]> mashi dude we missed you 17:53 < mazop> mashi is found ;)......ow reporting to FBI.... :P 17:54 < mazop> mashi: searching for a coffebrake-challenge? 17:54 < mazop> VE plugin would be vry very nice..... ;) 17:54 < nelson> Hehe. Google's Katrina photos are a *little* overloaded. 17:55 * Bull_[UK] hands mashi lots of beer 17:55 < mashi> I thought it was CIA's job to arrest/eliminate people in foreign countries? :) 17:55 < mazop> hehe 17:55 < Bull_[UK]> lol 17:56 * mazop is uploading tonns of coffee to norway..... 17:56 < Bull_[UK]> so how have you been mashi? ok I hope 17:56 < TheBeanie> Hey mashi :) 17:56 < Bull_[UK]> mashi run beanies back 17:57 < mashi> thanks bull! ahh.. nice" d**n keyboard.. mu keubosrd isht workung or sumthong 17:57 < Bull_[UK]> heh 17:57 < mashi> challenge? where? 17:57 < TheBeanie> You can run, but you can't hide from me :D 17:58 < mazop> VE plugin mashi......i know...for you (god of ww) just a little challenge.... 17:58 < mazop> ...little tep for mashi....ut big one for mankind.....;) 17:58 < mazop> step 17:59 < Bull_[UK]> well mashi we want lots from you, ;) patmurris made some suggestions on the forum about the 3dplugin too 18:01 * mazop not good to let mashi know, that there are any many things to do...better is: luring him with a challange and see whats happening...bull ! 18:02 < mashi> nice plan mazop - until you revealed it! I won't fall for that again :-) 18:02 < Bull_[UK]> and we have Chris working hard on lots of stuff too ;) 18:03 < mazop> ups..... you read this ?? ehe 18:03 < mashi> Bull_[UK]: yes I saw the forum post, I was going to fix the anaglyph thing, but got sidetracked somewhere 18:03 * mazop cancels the coffee-upload... ;) 18:03 < Bull_[UK]> bbiab need to entertain an 8yr old 18:04 >> SignOff: Christen (Nick collision from services.) [#worldwind] 18:04 >> #worldwind JOIN Christen (i=Christen@41.80-202-24.nextgentel.com) 18:05 <+Nowak> nhv: go go go :D 18:06 <+nhv> just waiting on perms to release 18:06 <+Nowak> nhv: Hmm, so you got the better metadata ? 18:06 <+nhv> bo 18:06 <+nhv> no 18:07 <+Nowak> argh 18:07 < mashi> next-gen blue marble: http://www.iac.ethz.ch/staff/stockli/bmng/ 18:08 < nelson> I didn't know railroad cars floated: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=New+Orleans&ll=30.004338,-90.015353&spn=0.003937,0.007522&t=e&hl=en 18:09 < adamhill> hey mashi! 18:10 <+Nowak> nhv: ok, will you get better ? 18:11 <+nhv> Nowak I have been told that I will get everything we need eventually 18:11 <+Nowak> eventually, meaning when ? 18:12 < mashi> hey adamhill! you're alive!! 18:12 <+nhv> Nowak if I only knew 18:14 <+nhv> remember I am going thru a go between as the operational folk are working arround the clock getting imagery for operational needs 18:15 <+nhv> and the last thing I want to do is get in the way of ops by pestering those actually doing the picture taking 18:16 * nelson thanks NASA and everybody involved from the bottom of my toes all the way up to the top of my head. 18:21 >> #worldwind JOIN dumdumhead (n=8fe8e701@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 18:23 < nelson> s/my/his/g 18:26 <+Nowak> nhv: what do you think is most inaccurate in current metadata ? 18:27 < dumdumhead> mashi: scared me with that ngbm link...thought someone leaked out the data (screen grabs are fine I believe) 18:27 <+Nowak> I wonder if it would be enough to align them in xy only 18:28 <+nhv> Nowak we are going to do this accurately we are professionals 18:28 <+nhv> we will be getting what we need soon enough 18:28 <+Nowak> soon = today ? :D 18:28 < mazop> dumdum: ;) 18:28 * dumdumhead is about 25% done processing ngbm for WW 18:28 <+nhv> don't know 18:29 < mazop> yea dumdu !!! go on, go on !!! 18:30 < mazop> dumdum: what should be the framrate in 1.4 head ? 18:30 * mazop 35 here... 18:30 < mashi> dumdumhead: :) so.. got any screenshots for us? 18:30 < dumdumhead> 1.4 head? i capped the limiter at about 36FPS, but the new code I'm making for 1.3.3 right now should be much faster 18:30 < dumdumhead> give me another day or two to get it more polished and then I'll commit 18:31 < dumdumhead> i'm allowed to have a small test group for the ngbm, but i have to be confident the data won't go out to the public at large 18:32 < mashi> new game loop? fixing the 100% CPU bug, or just rewriting for fun? 18:33 < dumdumhead> there are 3 versions of the data, each version is 12 monthly mosaics from 2004. Once I get the first version up (which will be the shaded relief + bathymetry), I'll see about getting some people testing it (from here that is) 18:33 <+Nowak> "but i have to be confident the data won't go out to the public at large", why ? 18:33 < dumdumhead> getting multi-texturing to work to minimize the multi-pass rendering calls 18:34 < dumdumhead> there is an "embargo" on the data till it's officially released, which is preliminarily Sept. 19 at the moment 18:35 < dumdumhead> er... "here" meaning people from our "dev" group =b 18:36 >> #worldwind JOIN mazo1 (n=mazop@dsl-155-5.utaonline.at) 18:40 >> #worldwind PART mazo1 (n=mazop@dsl-155-5.utaonline.at) () 18:45 <+ShockFire> mashi! 18:45 <+ShockFire> :D 18:49 < Bull_[UK]> hehe you never greet me like that 18:49 * Bull_[UK] pouts 18:49 <+ShockFire> and don't you dare stay away for weeks either :P 18:49 >> SignOff: mazop (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 18:50 <+ShockFire> and I'm not too busy, I just don't know how to make the plugin 18:50 <+ShockFire> I'm busy though, just not too yet 18:50 < Bull_[UK]> heh 18:51 < Bull_[UK]> we need mashi to teach you all his secrets 18:51 <+ShockFire> well you need to know javascript, unless someone has already found the calls 18:52 * Bull_[UK] looks at adam 18:53 < Bull_[UK]> OpenOffice Goes LGPL oo cool we can steal thier code now 18:56 < dumdumhead> time to find breakfast. bbl 18:56 >> SignOff: dumdumhead (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 18:58 <+ShockFire> someone should take away mazop's /me key :P 19:03 * Bull_[UK] hehe 19:09 <+ShockFire> @$%&*! 19:09 * mashi thinks shockfire should reconfigure his irc client if he is annoyed... :-) 19:09 >> Topic change on #worldwind by ShockFire: Welcome to #WorldWind! | Now looking for the following devs: dpatton. If found, please report to the lost developer office or your local RSPCA or ASPCA or even FBI/MI5/MI6. Your choice. 19:09 < Bull_[UK]> :) 19:09 * ShockFire thinks mashi should show up -before- we report him as missing... :-) 19:09 < Bull_[UK]> yeah, that search party isn't going to be happy 19:11 <+ShockFire> so mashi, who did you kill this week? 19:15 <+ShockFire> you did kill someone, which is why you had to hide, right? 19:15 < Bull_[UK]> nah dave was holding him hostage, didnt you get a copy of the ransom note? 19:15 <+ShockFire> yes, but it was confusing since it only said "we got yo mashi, dawg!" 19:15 < Bull_[UK]> hehe 19:15 <+ShockFire> plus it was hardly readable since it was writting with what seemed to be a very thick dark-red crayon... 19:17 <+ShockFire> *written 19:18 <+ShockFire> anyways.... mashi: stay! 19:18 <+ShockFire> :D 19:20 >> #worldwind JOIN mazop (n=mazop@dsl-155-5.utaonline.at) 19:20 < TheBeanie> All your mashi are belong to us! 19:22 < Bull_[UK]> lol 19:22 < Bull_[UK]> got any pics online yet beanie? 19:23 < Bull_[UK]> I'm still waiting to see Shocks aswell 19:25 <+ShockFire> yeah I need to pick some of the 800 19:25 <+ShockFire> I think they all fit on a single DVD though, so it should only take about 3 months to upload 19:25 < Bull_[UK]> oh Bean you probably know already but fourty is getting some UK aerial photos out of getmapping 19:25 < Bull_[UK]> heh 19:26 >> #worldwind JOIN karim (n=d45476e8@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 19:26 < Bull_[UK]> shit is bsg out yet? I forgot to look 19:27 < karim> hi there 19:28 < Bull_[UK]> hi 19:28 < karim> am i able to zoom into detailed info using world wind? 19:29 < Bull_[UK]> yes mainly for US locations though 19:29 < Bull_[UK]> !tour 19:29 < f0urtyfive> Check out the tour at: http://alteviltech.com/WorldWind/Tour/ 19:29 < Bull_[UK]> !faq 19:29 < f0urtyfive> Please do not ask questions until you've read the FAQ at http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/World_Wind_FAQ 19:29 < Bull_[UK]> check those links for more info ;) 19:30 < karim> cheers, i had been reading the faq but was unsure if i could get detailed info of athens for my gf :-) 19:31 < Bull_[UK]> you wont get very high resolution for athens, but we are trying to get more data 19:32 < Bull_[UK]> its just hard to find free sources 19:34 < Bull_[UK]> Bean - have you got any inside sources who know when by will upgrade us? 19:39 < Bull_[UK]> Nowak - no BSG or stargate this week? 19:40 <+Nowak> nope, but should be next week 19:42 < Bull_[UK]> ahh ok 19:42 < Bull_[UK]> :( 19:43 < Bull_[UK]> guess I'll watch some lost then 19:43 < Bull_[UK]> bbl 19:43 >> #worldwind JOIN rer (n=d56a28da@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 19:47 >> SignOff: rer (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 19:49 >> #worldwind JOIN ShockFire2 (i=Tim@d80206.ktwaalre.nl) 20:03 >> SignOff: ShockFire (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind] 20:05 >> #worldwind JOIN engmik1 (n=engmike@n134s138.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net) 20:09 >> #worldwind JOIN danbri (n=chatzill@82-32-5-17.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) 20:24 >> #worldwind JOIN DEFNE (n=5564d704@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 20:27 >> SignOff: DEFNE (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 20:40 < TheBeanie> [8:25pm] got any pics online yet beanie? -- well...I was going through them on my PC....but buggered up.....so I have to start again now 20:41 < TheBeanie> Oh, and the cameras had completely the wrong timezones set....my one ended up 14hrs out or something....so I need to see if I can do a 'touch' in Windows 20:47 < adamhill> cygwin 20:48 < TheBeanie> I'll have a look 20:48 < TheBeanie> Found some EXIF editing tools too. 20:49 < TheBeanie> ftp://ftp.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/pub/iHDTV/MPG/files/dreamtime.mpg --- now *that's* HDTV in action 21:00 <+Nowak> what res ? 21:02 < TheBeanie> 3600 x 1800 21:02 < TheBeanie> Although someone else says...1280x720, Aspect: 16:9 (1280x720) 21:02 < TheBeanie> I'm still downloading 21:03 <+Nowak> 21:02:38 < TheBeanie> 3600 x 1800 21:03 <+Nowak> no way :D 21:03 <+Nowak> max is sth around 2000 x 1500 21:05 >> #worldwind PART danbri (n=chatzill@82-32-5-17.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) () 21:12 < NeoThermic> ok, this is odd. STRM data isn't working in 1.3.2 for some odd reason 21:13 < TheBeanie> Nowak - yeah, I thought it was odd. 1280x720 is a HDTV res 21:13 < NeoThermic> wait, it was me :P 21:14 < TheBeanie> [8:37pm] Bean - have you got any inside sources who know when by will upgrade us? --- nope...BY say upgrades starting from the end of September 21:15 < Bull_[UK]> yeah heard the 22nd somewhere 21:15 < Bull_[UK]> I want it now :P 21:16 < Bull_[UK]> NeoThermic - you just made me load 1.3.2 for no reason :S 21:16 < NeoThermic> isnt't that good? :P 21:17 < Bull_[UK]> hehe not when I'm watching lost 21:17 < Bull_[UK]> bbiab 21:19 < NeoThermic> uhm, USGS missing data for LA? 21:19 < NeoThermic> Start time: 03/09/2005 22:15:33 21:19 < NeoThermic> Total download time: 00:00:00.2812500 21:19 < NeoThermic> Average transfer rate: 0.0 kbit/s 21:19 < NeoThermic> Url: http://nww.terraserver-usa.com/nwwtile.ashx?T=104&L=2&X=299&Y=625 21:19 < NeoThermic> Target file: D:\Program Files\NASA\World Wind 1.3\Cache\Earth\High Resolution Imagery\USGS Urban Area Ortho\2\0625\0625_0299.jpg.tmp 21:19 < NeoThermic> Progress: 0/0 bytes 21:19 < NeoThermic> Status: The remote server returned an error: (404) Not Found. 21:19 < NeoThermic> Proxy: http://nww.terraserver-usa.com/nwwtile.ashx?T=104&L=2&X=299&Y=625 21:19 < NeoThermic> Response headers: 21:19 < NeoThermic> ======================================== 21:19 >> #worldwind PART mazop (n=mazop@dsl-155-5.utaonline.at) () 21:21 < TheBeanie> Neo - they had it when I last looked, about a month ago or so 21:23 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo_ (n=chatzill@205.208.133.236) 21:24 >> #worldwind JOIN WeatherFreak (n=4106c80c@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 21:24 >> SignOff: WeatherFreak (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 21:25 <+Nowak> haha, running defrag first time this year 21:25 <+Nowak> 74% fragmentation :D 21:29 <+nhv> Nowak do you want the rest of the Imagery same poor georef 21:31 <+Nowak> http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~nowozin/autopano-sift/ 21:32 <+Nowak> and then somehow based on the key points stitch the images :D 21:33 <+Nowak> Maybe even just gdal gcp reprojector 21:34 <+Nowak> output is a simple txt format, with x,y of matching points on both images 21:37 >> SignOff: karim (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 21:40 >> SignOff: T_Servo (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [#worldwind] 21:40 <+nhv> Nowak that should work well however I don't have the time todo it and we should have better georeferencng shortly which will make this unecessary 21:40 <+nhv> which should make this unecessary 21:52 <+Nowak> nhv: You say shortly, but dont know if thats today or next week 21:52 <+nhv> correct 21:58 <+nhv> Nowak http://rafb.net/paste/results/lsEXvu55.html 22:39 >> #worldwind JOIN jmdr (n=a1b841ac@pinky.worldwindcentral.net) 22:39 >> SignOff: spacechicken ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050716]") [#worldwind] 22:48 >> SignOff: jmdr (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind] 23:10 >> T_Servo_ is now known as T_Servo 23:10 < T_Servo> what a waisted afternoon.... 23:51 * T_Servo is looking at some of the processed imagery... "WOW" is all I can say --- Log closed Sun Sep 04 00:00:03 2005