--- Log opened Thu Jan 18 00:00:39 2007
--- Day changed Thu Jan 18 2007
00:00:39 < fiveofoh> The same link didn't work before, must have been momentary
00:01:15 < fiveofoh> TheBean: last seen 124 days ago  :(
00:03:36 >> T_Servo[II] is now known as T_Servo
00:03:51 < T_Servo> ok, all packed clothing wise for my trip
00:04:07 < T_Servo> just need to stuff the notebook and stuff in it's bag tonight 
00:05:38 < what_nick> The internal improvements to geofusion sounds like classic esri not invented here bullshit
00:11:34 * Bull_[UK] blogged new ISIS cnt test it though, no gui or exe /me has linuxphobia
00:12:10 < fiveofoh> ISIS=?
00:12:25 * fiveofoh is cured of linuxphobia
00:13:07 < Bull_[UK]> Integrated System for Imagers and Spectrometers
00:13:22 < Bull_[UK]> http://isis.astrogeology.usgs.gov/documents/InstallGuide/
00:13:30 < Bull_[UK]> Mars stuff
00:13:32 < Bull_[UK]> ;p
00:14:05 < Bull_[UK]> The data area is available as a seperate download of approximatly 14GB
00:14:53 < T_Servo> really sucks at work right now... power is STILL out.. so can;t use my computer.. which is a real pain because it has some stuff on it I NEED to print tomorrow before I leave
00:15:18 < Bull_[UK]> Isis is able to import raw mission data into a usable geospatial image product, and has tools for digital mosaicking of adjacent images, photometric modeling and normalization, removal of systematic noise patterns, overlaying graticules, and numerous other cartographic and scientific analysis functions.
00:15:22 < T_Servo> hrm.. I think I'll run some extension coords before the union guys show up and get what I need quick
00:16:01 < fiveofoh> @Bull_[UK]: Hmm, interesting
00:16:09 < Bull_[UK]> pangloss will probably like it
00:22:44 < Bull_[UK]> http://www.ogleearth.com/2007/01/digitalglobe_re.html
00:22:47 < Bull_[UK]> wow
00:23:11 < Bull_[UK]> he stirred something up it seems
00:23:34 < fiveofoh> geez
00:23:59 < fiveofoh> That is crazy.
00:28:44 < Bull_[UK]> yup, funny how it takes a blogger forth gov to realise its mistakes
00:29:29 < Bull_[UK]> youd think they would pay people to research this stuff :P
00:30:25 >> fiveofoh is now known as fiveofoh_afk
00:31:11 * Bull_[UK] wonders if stefan will get slashdotted
00:35:00 < T_Servo> heh
00:35:12 < T_Servo> doubt it, someone else will mention it and then it gets covered
00:35:20 >> SignOff: Starfury^ ("End of Line") [#worldwind]
00:36:38 < Bull_[UK]> yeah
00:41:35 < Bull_[UK]> how do you add a reference to an external plugin? I think you add something in the header right?
00:42:04 < Bull_[UK]> think I see
00:44:35 < Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
00:44:36 < Bull_[UK]> Movie Recorder plugin failed to load.
00:44:36 < Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
00:44:36 < Bull_[UK]> The error was:
00:44:36 < Bull_[UK]> Failed to load 'AviFile.dll': Could not load file or assembly 'AviFile.dll' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified.
00:44:37 < Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
00:44:39 < Bull_[UK]> OK
00:44:41 < Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
00:44:43 < Bull_[UK]> grrr
00:46:07 < Bull_[UK]> REFERENCES: AviFile.dll
00:46:18 < Bull_[UK]> is that correct?
00:46:45 < Chade> yep
00:47:04 < Chade> avifile.dll should be in the svn...
00:47:37 < Chade> it's in bin/debug
00:48:05 < Bull_[UK]> yep, I put it in ww plugins etc. but movierecorder cant find it
00:48:35 < Bull_[UK]> I'm trying to make movierecorder external
00:48:40 < Chade> which folder is it in?
00:48:43 < Chade> ah.
00:49:08 < Bull_[UK]> as we cant include it :/
00:49:16 < Chade> yeah
00:49:56 < Chade> I can make it external
00:50:26 < Bull_[UK]> cool, pese do, /me cant figure it out
00:50:38 < Bull_[UK]> should be easy
00:50:59 < Chade> sure
00:51:27 < Bull_[UK]> thanks :)
00:52:01 < Chade> no worries
00:57:14 < T_Servo> lol: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/images/exploding_pig.jpg
01:04:20 < fiveofoh_afk> http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2007/01/stronger_than_h.html#more
01:04:25 < fiveofoh_afk> Very interesting story, actually
01:06:39 < Chade> hahaha
01:06:48 < Chade> "A pig munition, primed to blow"
01:09:25 < T_Servo> yea... that is IF you care about anythink that happens in SL
01:10:27 < fiveofoh_afk> I don't care about SL, but I think it's interesting that "real life" could manifest itself in SL, and get the reponse it did - interesting what people do in SL that the wouldn't in RL.
01:10:52 < fiveofoh_afk> (Although I guess people were flipping and burning cars...was that the same thing?)
01:17:57 < Chade> *cough*Paris last year*cough*
01:18:06 < Chade> :/
01:19:48 < Bull_[UK]> hehe
01:22:28 < spacechicken> hey all
01:22:56 < fiveofoh_afk> Hey
01:23:03 < spacechicken> can anyone recommend a registrar that can register domain names for most of the globe?
01:25:28 < fiveofoh_afk> You mean like .eu or .co.uk or .sa?
01:25:38 < what_nick> http://whatnick.dyndns.org:8080/tisham/MovieRecorder.zip
01:25:51 < fiveofoh_afk> or .cn, .jp, etc
01:25:52 < fiveofoh_afk> ?
01:26:13 < Bull_[UK]> thans Chade/Tish
01:26:18 < Chade> :)
01:26:21 < maurizioSA> fiveofoh_afk: which country is .sa ?
01:26:32 < what_nick> his work my webspace
01:26:37 < fiveofoh_afk> evidently not south africa. ;)
01:27:03 < fiveofoh_afk> Saudia Arabia
01:27:11 < fiveofoh_afk> *Saudi Arabia
01:28:31 < fiveofoh_afk> Hehe http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:fNphpee5rRwJ:www.buk.gov.sa/+site:.sa&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10&client=firefox-a
01:28:38 < maurizioSA> why didn't I think of that?
01:28:42 < fiveofoh_afk> The current site just says "Site Unavailable"
01:29:01 < fiveofoh_afk> It shows up in Google Search as "HACKED BY DENGESIZ-TR"
01:30:42 < spacechicken> fiveofof_afk - as in the countries of Europe, Asia, South America, Oceania, etc
01:31:11 >> fiveofoh_afk is now known as fiveofoh_Iliad
01:31:23 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Put out some Patrick bait. ;)
01:32:09 < Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
01:32:10 < Bull_[UK]> Movie Recorder plugin failed to load.
01:32:10 < Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
01:32:10 < Bull_[UK]> The error was:
01:32:10 < Bull_[UK]> Error CS0246: Line 25 Column 7: The type or namespace name 'AviFile' could not be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)
01:32:11 < Bull_[UK]> Error CS0246: Line 34 Column 17: The type or namespace name 'AviManager' could not be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)
01:32:14 < Bull_[UK]> Error CS0246: Line 35 Column 17: The type or namespace name 'VideoStream' could not be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)
01:32:17 < Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
01:32:19 < Bull_[UK]> OK
01:32:21 < Bull_[UK]> ---------------------------
01:37:10 < Chade> :/
01:37:46 < Chade> I'll have a look at it in a bit.
01:37:54 < Bull_[UK]> am I supposed to compile it? ok np
01:38:14 < Chade> er
01:38:17 < Chade> maybe?
01:38:20 < Chade> yeah, probably.
01:38:52 < Chade> if it whinges like that, you probably need to make a dll, i guess...
01:39:13 < Bull_[UK]> k I'll try
01:41:45 < Bull_[UK]> yeah that worked :)
01:42:49 < Chade> Cool bananas.
01:50:21 >> fiveofoh_Iliad is now known as fiveofoh_napping
01:55:14 < T_Servo> http://earth.google.com/kml/kml_tags_21.html
01:55:21 < T_Servo> http://earth.google.com/kml/kml_21tutorial.html
01:55:41 < T_Servo> new kml reference and tutorial
02:01:23 >> #worldwind PART TheSteveMonkey (n=scitronp@65.170.144.66) ()
02:04:19 < Bull_[UK]> no xsd though
02:08:08 < T_Servo> http://mapshark.com/
02:08:16 < T_Servo> I like geody better still
02:10:58 >> #worldwind JOIN f0urtyfive (n=47c4b874@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
02:11:05 < Bull_[UK]> huh
02:11:12 < f0urtyfive> I come bearing gifts
02:11:18 < Bull_[UK]> quickgrab him
02:11:21 < f0urtyfive> lol
02:11:27 < f0urtyfive> Nowak: ssh://home.ceteranet.com
02:11:37 < Bull_[UK]> hows ski country?
02:11:43 < f0urtyfive> good
02:11:48 < Bull_[UK]> :)
02:11:53 < f0urtyfive> everyone else, dig 2bn.net (3 servers, triple redundant)
02:12:08 < f0urtyfive> oh, and BTW, our check for 1200$ from Geosoft is in the mail
02:13:00 < Bull_[UK]> cool let us know when it arrives so we can edit the wiki nd blog it
02:13:02 < Bull_[UK]> ;)
02:13:21 < _adam_gfx> and pay Tom :)
02:13:32 * f0urtyfive wonders if nowak is pming him
02:13:35 < f0urtyfive> I hate this stupid client
02:13:37 < f0urtyfive> brb in mirc
02:13:37 < Bull_[UK]> oh yeah forgot that
02:13:48 >> SignOff: f0urtyfive (Client Quit) [#worldwind]
02:14:00 >> #worldwind JOIN f0urty-colorado (n=f0urtyfi@c-71-196-184-116.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
02:14:08 <+Nowak> f0urtyfive: get me like 50GB somewhere for backups
02:14:17 < f0urty-colorado> much better
02:14:19 < Bull_[UK]> hehe
02:14:30 < f0urty-colorado> Nowak: fi you just pm'd me what I thought you did, I'll give you 250 GB :P
02:15:21 < spacechicken> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/builder-flips-over-parked-maserati/2007/01/18/1168709877118.html
02:15:40 * Bull_[UK] splashes water on Nowak
02:15:53 <+Nowak> Bull_[UK]: ?
02:16:06 < Bull_[UK]> to revive you
02:16:16 < f0urty-colorado> lol
02:16:21 <+Nowak> Bull_[UK]: youre weird
02:16:21 < Bull_[UK]> thought you may faint
02:16:25 < Bull_[UK]> ;)
02:16:34 * f0urty-colorado just grabbed another server for sureproxy.com and it has a spare 250 GB hd
02:16:44 < f0urty-colorado> although it would have much avail bandwidth... 
02:16:49 < f0urty-colorado> could backup tho
02:18:24 < f0urty-colorado> http://home.ceteranet.com/ganglia/
02:19:04 <+Nowak> http://home.ceteranet.com/ganglia/graph.php?g=cpu_report&z=medium&c=unspecified&m=&r=year&s=descending&hc=4&st=1169086712
02:19:07 <+Nowak> 2 month hole ...
02:19:17 < f0urty-colorado> oh hush
02:19:24 < f0urty-colorado> thats what happens when you get comcast upset for downloading too much
02:19:38 < Bull_[UK]> lol
02:19:47 < f0urty-colorado> now before we start mass downloading again, I have to find someone at comcast that will give it the OK...
02:19:52 <+Nowak> sydney has some issues too, it already died twice while dstiling
02:19:52 < f0urty-colorado> BUT
02:20:09 < f0urty-colorado> we can probably move both of the good servers into the rackspace that ISC is offering
02:21:08 < f0urty-colorado> Nowak: may have been power issues or something similar
02:22:15 <+Nowak> f0urty-colorado: dont think so, only sydney died
02:22:19 <+Nowak> twice
02:23:58 <+Nowak> (and its still dead)
02:25:41 * f0urty-colorado cant remember what 10.2.0.6 is
02:26:01 <+Nowak> sydney is 10.2.0.7
02:26:07 <+Nowak> 10.2.0.6 is black hole ? :D
02:26:24 < f0urty-colorado> lol
02:26:34 < f0urty-colorado> Wasnt sydney routed goofy as well?
02:26:36 < f0urty-colorado> like through london
02:26:40 < f0urty-colorado> cause we didnt have any extra ports
02:26:57 <+Nowak> both were avaliable via the normal route too
02:27:06 <+Nowak> london should be on 100mbit now
02:27:23 <+Nowak> with crossconect with sydney on second port
02:27:48 < T_Servo> good thing I didn;t rely on f0urty-colorado for the plane ticket.. I fly out there tomorrow :P
02:27:53 < f0urty-colorado> ok
02:27:55 < f0urty-colorado> :P
02:28:01 < f0urty-colorado> where are you flying T?
02:28:24 < T_Servo> um the Virtual Globes Conf I am presenting at Friday, remember?
02:28:32 < Bull_[UK]> lol
02:28:41 < f0urty-colorado> Nope :P
02:28:48 < f0urty-colorado> how much was your plane ticket?
02:28:50 < T_Servo> every one but you seems to remember
02:28:54 < T_Servo> 240$
02:29:36 * Bull_[UK] wonders if f0urty-colorado gets the mailing list posts
02:30:40 < f0urty-colorado> 2054.99$ is whats in the bank
02:30:46 < f0urty-colorado> Bull_[UK]: I get fef-board, not ww-dev
02:31:24 < Bull_[UK]> probably lucky you dont get dev lol
02:31:39 <+Nowak> theres always the archive ... :D
02:31:53 < Bull_[UK]> dont read it
02:31:55 < Bull_[UK]> ;p
02:37:16 < f0urty-colorado> so what else is new?
02:37:31 < f0urty-colorado> I'm surprised IA hasnt emailed meabout their hard drives yet :P
02:37:46 < adamhill> cool IP Trace plugin
02:38:15 < adamhill> ESRI making some noises about wanting WW integration, or maybe it is just Patrick
02:38:30 < T_Servo> it is from esri
02:38:55 < T_Servo> it is just no one knows WHAT they want...other than us to do the dirty work
02:39:16 < adamhill> but I thought the email started about talking about Patrick trying to get in contact with someone at ESRI
02:39:27 < adamhill> then the ESRI guy finally got back to him
02:39:38 < Bull_[UK]> yup
02:40:05 < Bull_[UK]> f0urty-colorado - 1.4 is nearly out (tm)
02:40:10 < f0urty-colorado> lol
02:40:15 < f0urty-colorado> just like it was when I left PA?"
02:40:23 < Bull_[UK]> yeah
02:40:32 < Bull_[UK]> but less bugs
02:40:34 < Bull_[UK]> ;)
02:41:57 < Bull_[UK]> and I got 70,000 + youtube views
02:42:01 < Bull_[UK]> :D
02:42:01 <+Nowak> Bull_[UK]: and a lot of "wont fix" bugs :D
02:42:19 < Bull_[UK]> yeah blame stepman
02:42:35 < Bull_[UK]> most are dl stuff
02:43:26 < Bull_[UK]> or SOC orphans
02:44:04 < Bull_[UK]> oh and Nowak and m_k made wwc pretty
02:55:46 < T_Servo> ok, night all
02:55:52 >> SignOff: T_Servo ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") [#worldwind]
03:18:38 >> SignOff: r0 ("Leaving") [#worldwind]
03:25:41 >> SignOff: spacechicken ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]") [#worldwind]
03:38:41 >> SignOff: f0urty-colorado () [#worldwind]
04:07:20 >> fiveofoh_napping is now known as fiveofoh
04:07:28 >> fiveofoh is now known as fiveofoh_Iliad
04:14:50 < Bull_[UK]> http://download.worldwindcentral.com/users/bull/World_Wind_1.4.0_Final.exe - this is NOT final but can a couple of you check it, Patrick left it running in the background for 30 minutes and got the big red X of death
04:30:52 * fiveofoh_Iliad downloads
04:33:55 < Bull_[UK]> thanks
04:34:38 < Bull_[UK]> its probably overheating his intel 915 graphics chip
04:36:21 < fiveofoh_Iliad> >:(
04:36:28 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Angry ^^
04:36:45 * Bull_[UK] hides
04:36:45 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Anyway, Earthquakes fix didn't make it in
04:37:00 < fiveofoh_Iliad> The historical earthquakes defaults are wrong
04:37:24 < Bull_[UK]> I know I forgot to copy it accross
04:37:30 < fiveofoh_Iliad> OK, just checking
04:37:36 < Bull_[UK]> ;)
04:37:48 < fiveofoh_Iliad> And of course anaglyph doesn't work on my Intel 915, but we already knew that... :(
04:37:53 * Bull_[UK] was tired
04:37:56 < Bull_[UK]> yeah
04:39:13 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Testing, just for the fun of it
04:39:13 < fiveofoh_Iliad> worldwind://install=http://download.worldwindcentral.com/users/bull/InNOut.zip
04:39:21 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Gah, didn't linkify properly...
04:40:34 < fiveofoh_Iliad> It worked...altho I should change it to "reload the current world" instead of "restart World Wind"
04:40:46 < fiveofoh_Iliad> And it still needs work.  So it's still hush-hush. ;)
04:41:06 < withak> you should only need to restart if it didn't have a manifest.txt
04:41:20 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Yeah, and it didn't. :D
04:41:36 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Did the manifest ever get fully implemented?
04:41:40 * fiveofoh_Iliad didn't do it
04:42:02 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Umm, Integrated Browser opens even if the icon links are worldwind://goto links
04:42:35 < Bull_[UK]> thats not so good
04:44:44 < Bull_[UK]> btw a Patrck request, I think would be useful too, could we have an option in options to use external browser for pages, i.e. use internal browser true/false
04:44:50 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Ooh, the layer manager is resizeable
04:44:58 < what_nick> I have a model heli but no heli flights
04:45:11 < what_nick> anyone wants to sponsor a small camera etc ..
04:45:15 < what_nick> pelase send me donations
04:45:20 < Bull_[UK]> hehe
04:45:33 < what_nick> i promise to make ... a Worldwind plugin for it
04:45:35 < what_nick> :)
04:45:36 < withak> Bull_[UK]: we have that :)
04:45:38 < what_nick> thanks
04:45:49 < what_nick> and make it all work together
04:45:54 < Bull_[UK]> withk oh cool
04:45:57 < withak> in the alt-w window
04:46:03 < what_nick> the SOCkid got $4500 is need some
04:46:04 < withak> "UseInternalBrowser" i think
04:46:23 < withak> i ende up redoing a lot of the browser stuff too
04:46:26 < withak> i should send him a bill
04:47:09 >> SignOff: maurizioSA (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [#worldwind]
04:47:15 < withak> Bull_[UK]: the various links in the help menu (faq etc.) will open in a new browser window, not internal
04:47:30 < withak> because those are things you you want to read normally, not crammed into the edge of WW
04:47:48 < Bull_[UK]> yeah
04:47:51 < withak> internal browser is for stuff pertinent to whatever you are viewing in WW
04:48:00 < withak> not everyday web browsing :)
04:48:48 < Bull_[UK]> cant find a true/false in alt+w
04:49:08 < withak> hm
04:49:35 < withak> it' in the UI section
04:49:37 < withak> near the end
04:49:58 < Bull_[UK]> ahh yup
04:50:02 < withak> http://forum.worldwindcentral.com/showthread.php?t=8276
04:50:08 < withak> ww is bad at keeping time :)
04:50:13 < Bull_[UK]> damn hard to see
04:50:14 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Tee hee, I just showed my friend, and he said it now "officially kicks the pants off of Google Earth in its sleep" ;)
04:50:15 < Bull_[UK]> lol
04:50:26 < Bull_[UK]> :)
04:50:36 < fiveofoh_Iliad> And that was just sun shading, compass, and integrated browser. :D
04:51:44 < withak> could he see his house?
04:52:54 < Chade> lol
04:52:58 < fiveofoh_Iliad> We didn't get that far, he had other stuff to do.
04:53:12 < fiveofoh_Iliad> But I'm in Seattle, so he could have seen where he was standing at the moment. :)
04:53:51 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Bah, I can't remember where he's from, and his facebook doesn't say :P
04:54:02 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Wonder if that's the first time facebook has been mentioned on #worldwind
04:54:26 < Bull_[UK]> so who is going to redo the faq for 1.4?
04:54:31 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Probably so http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anowak.xpam.de+facebook&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
04:54:45 < fiveofoh_Iliad> @Bull_[UK]: what needs to be done?
04:54:46 < withak> not me
04:55:15 < Bull_[UK]> things like the internal browser tip
04:55:38 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Isn't geody supposed to be side-bar friendly?
04:55:38 < Bull_[UK]> and lots of redundant 1.3.x stuff
04:55:53 < withak> there was a special link for geody to be narrow
04:56:40 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Gee, that's slick.
04:56:45 * fiveofoh_Iliad uses geody's WW link
04:56:57 < Bull_[UK]> gimme
04:57:02 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Hmm...why does GE get to be first? :P
04:57:14 < Bull_[UK]> $
04:57:27 < fiveofoh_Iliad> I meant the "goto" link
04:57:36 < fiveofoh_Iliad> "Random" took me to the middle of greenland.
04:57:39 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Kind of fun.
04:57:45 < Bull_[UK]> cool
04:58:26 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Sweet...geocaching
04:58:29 < withak> http://www.geody.com/?vis=vbar&dlink=nasaww
04:59:33 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Thanks
05:00:28 < fiveofoh_Iliad> World Wind is the only one there. :)
05:00:43 < withak> that's what the dlink= is for :)
05:01:06 < withak> if you leave that out you probably kml et al. also
05:01:43 < Bull_[UK]> mm nice
05:04:14 < fiveofoh_Iliad> FOTW links aren't opening at all...they open the browser, but it just stays where I last was (geody)
05:05:12 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Ooh
05:05:18 * fiveofoh_Iliad hadn't seen WavingFlags before
05:05:39 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Gee, that's purty
05:05:50 < fiveofoh_Iliad> My 915 hasn't burned up yet. :)
05:06:44 < Bull_[UK]> I had to click a flag twice, I think its the https://
05:07:03 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Wow!  I had no Idea waving flags was so cool.  Popup fancies with loads of awesome info...this is going into the FAQ pronto
05:07:11 < fiveofoh_Iliad> (Assuming it's not "secret" or anything)
05:07:14 < Bull_[UK]> :)
05:07:39 < Bull_[UK]> not secret but I'd suggest a 1.4 faq
05:08:01 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Like a separate FAQ for 1.4, or just update?
05:08:01 < Bull_[UK]> then bring across whats neeeded
05:08:07 < fiveofoh_Iliad> OK, that explained it
05:08:18 < fiveofoh_Iliad> @Bull_[UK]: Double-clicking worked for me
05:08:48 < Bull_[UK]> and trim it down a bit, its too big for an faq now
05:09:36 < Bull_[UK]> newbes will see it now and just run
05:09:48 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Hmm...now single-clicking works
05:09:54 * fiveofoh_Iliad reluctantly turns of Waving Flags
05:10:07 < withak> make a mostFAQ
05:10:19 < Bull_[UK]> yup only need a double the first time
05:10:31 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Hmm...peculiar
05:11:31 * fiveofoh_Iliad just likes looking at Nepal's flag
05:12:33 * Bull_[UK] likes looking at Nepples too
05:12:38 < Bull_[UK]> sorry
05:12:56 < Bull_[UK]> had to be done though
05:13:52 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Oh my...do flags raise/lower by demographics?
05:13:56 < Bull_[UK]> W00T
05:13:58 < fiveofoh_Iliad> O.o
05:13:59 < Bull_[UK]> yup
05:14:02 < fiveofoh_Iliad> *drools*
05:14:04 < Bull_[UK]> http://code.google.com/apis/kml/schema/kml21.xsd
05:14:10 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Who came up with this thing?
05:14:20 < withak> save it quick!
05:14:21 < Bull_[UK]> Chris
05:14:55 * Bull_[UK] pokes adamhill and what_nick
05:15:59 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Holy cow!  Canada dominates in coastline.
05:16:08 < Bull_[UK]> hehe
05:17:10 < Bull_[UK]> fiveofoh_Iliad - its a proof of concept plugin, just think how you can modify it for other data ;)
05:17:35 < fiveofoh_Iliad> No kidding...that is amazing.
05:17:43 * fiveofoh_Iliad likes watching flags go up and down
05:18:24 < Bull_[UK]> would be nice for wink spots to be able to auto make a plugin based on that ;)
05:18:29 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Ooh, and borders are prettier
05:18:47 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Based on Waving Flags?
05:18:51 < Bull_[UK]> modify picture, info, stats
05:18:54 < Bull_[UK]> yup
05:19:02 < fiveofoh_Iliad> It needs to make _anything_ first. :(
05:19:03 < withak> spacechicken already used it to show .au election stats
05:19:09 < Bull_[UK]> yeah
05:19:31 < fiveofoh_Iliad> It hasn't gotten a lot of love recently.  Thanks for remiinding me...it needs work. :)
05:20:00 * Bull_[UK] eagerly awaits WINK spots, and has been for over a year
05:20:26 < Bull_[UK]> I still use the old version sometimes
05:20:56 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Yeah...hey, are the +/- buttons supposed to do anything?
05:21:05 < Bull_[UK]> its just the no formatting of the xml which is annoying
05:21:13 < Bull_[UK]> scale maybe?
05:21:59 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Yeah, that's on the fix list
05:22:52 * fiveofoh_Iliad just had a brain flash of having a mini-globe similar to the external layer manager, to remotely control WW on dual monitors
05:23:07 < Bull_[UK]> hehe
05:23:19 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Just a bald little mini earth-sphere to control. :)
05:24:04 < withak> i thought that's what the overlay form plugin was for?
05:24:43 < adamhill> it was
05:24:52 < fiveofoh_Iliad> The what?
05:25:07 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Was that that rectangular wwkontrol thing?
05:25:12 < adamhill> WW is the "controller" and the form was the display
05:25:17 < adamhill> yes
05:25:49 < fiveofoh_Iliad> A sphere would be prettier, but that's good.  I was just sharing a brain flash, not suggesting anything. :)
05:25:53 < Bull_[UK]> adam kml xsd
05:26:14 < adamhill> i got that earlier, playing now
05:26:41 < Bull_[UK]> didnt the waving flag boxes used to change colour with stats?
05:27:16 < Bull_[UK]> ahh sunshading kills the colour
05:28:01 * fiveofoh_Iliad knows how to fix that
05:28:19 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Darn, I just closed WW not thinking
05:29:02 < fiveofoh_Iliad> But I got a full 50 min out of it
05:29:07 < fiveofoh_Iliad> And nothing bad happened
05:29:23 < Bull_[UK]> cool
05:29:26 < what_nick> the red-x happens when windows screen locks
05:29:49 < what_nick> when you come back from the screen lock the DX device cannot lock back on 
05:29:55 < what_nick> and causes errors
05:30:03 < what_nick> i have seen this before
05:30:04 < fiveofoh_Iliad> The compass ignores sunshading...lemme find it
05:30:07 * fiveofoh_Iliad has too
05:30:16 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Happens when you come back from sleep or hibernation, too
05:30:21 < fiveofoh_Iliad> (duh)
05:30:39 < fiveofoh_Iliad>             drawArgs.device.RenderState.Lighting = false;
05:30:51 < Bull_[UK]> hehe
05:30:53 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Oops
05:30:56 < Bull_[UK]> gn all
05:30:59 < fiveofoh_Iliad> bool lighting = drawArgs.device.RenderState.Lighting;
05:30:59 < fiveofoh_Iliad> drawArgs.device.RenderState.Lighting = false;
05:31:18 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Those go at the beginning of your rendering loop
05:31:21 < fiveofoh_Iliad> drawArgs.device.RenderState.Lighting = lighting;
05:31:23 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Goes at the end
05:31:45 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Night Bull_[UK]
05:33:08 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Hmm, at this rate I'll overtake dpatton tomorrow in WW stats
05:33:49 <+Nowak> fiveofoh_Iliad: unless i mute you :P
05:34:02 < fiveofoh_Iliad> That wouldn't be nice
05:34:16 <+Nowak> but sure would be fun :D
05:34:33 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Mmmm, mmmph!  Mmmph mmbpth mmb!
05:50:08 < withak> http://pneumatictu.be/session.mp3
05:50:13 < withak> me playing banjo last week :)
05:51:02 < withak> with the craziest old lady accordion player in the world
05:55:04 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Hmm, the accorion kind of overpowers the banjo most of the time. :(
05:55:31 < fiveofoh_Iliad> I hear a flute or whistly something, too?
05:55:40 < withak> tinwhistle
05:55:49 < withak> it was two accordions
05:55:54 < withak> and a concertina
05:55:59 < withak> which is the maximum allowed by law
05:56:08 < fiveofoh_Iliad> :)
05:56:26 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Is the concertina that really weird thing that's mostly keyboard, but looks like an accorion?
05:56:32 < withak> small accordion
05:56:33 < fiveofoh_Iliad> *accordion
05:56:39 < withak> like the size of your hand
05:56:42 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Ah
05:56:55 < withak> http://www.anglo-concertina.net/images/concertina_1.jpg
05:57:11 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Somehow I knew a link was coming
05:57:14 < withak> http://www.teachnet.ie/ddonnelly/images/instruments/paolos1.gif
05:57:18 < withak> button accordion
05:57:21 < fiveofoh_Iliad> I was gonna google myself, but was too lazy
05:57:26 < withak> that exact kind actually
05:57:34 < withak> paulo soprani, fire-engine red
05:57:40 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Wow
05:57:55 < fiveofoh_Iliad> That was pretty cool, even though I couldn't hear your banjo much. :/
05:58:26 < withak> i have a track that's mostly banjo but the playing is terrible
05:58:31 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Wow, the first thing I thought of when I saw that image was "Hmm, that must be a GIF"
05:58:50 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Terrible is a relative term. ;)
06:00:04 < withak> i can probably fade it out before the terrible part
06:00:10 < fiveofoh_Iliad> lol
06:00:16 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Using what, Audacity?
06:00:34 < withak> audition
06:01:02 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Hmm, not familiar.  Btw, did you fix the QuickInstall manifest stuff?
06:01:11 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Because if not, I'll work on it tomorrow, prolly
06:01:17 < withak> i didn't touch any of the manifest stuff
06:01:41 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Ok.  Then I'll fix it, cause it won't work now.
06:01:48 < fiveofoh_Iliad> I don't think.
06:02:02 < withak> it worked every time i tried it
06:02:12 < withak> the installfromzip didn't work i think
06:02:17 < withak> from the dialog
06:02:24 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Hmm, OK.  There was stuff I was gonna fix, anyway
06:02:25 < withak> but pasting a url was ok
06:05:35 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Looking at SVN, and then at what I have...
06:06:01 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Hmm, There's a LoadAddon(fileName) method, I think I'll use that (I'll be reading the logs, so note to self)
06:07:34 < fiveofoh_Iliad> I was gonna move the filetype detection stuff to the QuickInstall routine, so that pasting from a url would work the same way, and the FileLoader would be a lot simpler.
06:07:54 < fiveofoh_Iliad> OK, night all.  I'll be lurking, but reading, more importantly.
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08:04:17 < roeles> http://buienradar.nl/h.aspx?jaar=-4&voor=200701180920 <-- well, I wonder what today's forecast will be
08:06:57 >> #worldwind JOIN what_nick_ (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/what-nick)
08:29:37 * Llynix yawns
08:37:58 >> #worldwind JOIN stepman (n=stepman@stargate.vrvis.at)
08:51:36 * what_nick_ grabs stepman
08:51:49 < what_nick_> and drags him screaming to the unstable tree
08:53:02 < stepman> heya
08:53:04 < stepman> ow!
08:53:05 < stepman> ow!
08:53:15 < what_nick_> see that spiky terrain
08:53:26 < stepman> i see many things
08:53:28 < what_nick_> how does it feel to fly through spikes
08:53:31 < what_nick_> :)
08:53:32 < stepman> i've fixed many of them, too
08:54:16 < stepman> but i've added tons of stuff that's not at all in a commitable state
08:54:38 < what_nick_> :)
08:54:43 < what_nick_> do it slowly
08:54:51 < what_nick_> fix the terrain please :)
08:55:24 < what_nick_> and if stuff in not commitable in trunk commit it in a branch
08:55:27 < NeoThermic> be thankful you were only dragged through spiky terrain. I hear that rough code hurts more :P
08:55:34 < stepman> heh
08:55:38 < what_nick_> we can assist in integration
08:55:58 < stepman> i'll toss you something to keep you amused
08:56:04 < stepman> <ImageTileService>
08:56:05 < stepman> <ServerUrl>plugin://WorldWind.DataSource.NPHTPlugin::CreateTile</ServerUrl>
08:56:12 < stepman> </ImateTileService>
08:56:17 < stepman> s/ate/age/;
09:00:13 <+Llynix> mer.. where's a guru around when you need one
09:01:30 < stepman> llynix: probably in outer orbit, meditating
09:02:10 <+Llynix> I remember reading an article awhile back on how skype and other apps poke holes through firewalls..
09:02:57 < stepman> most modern firewalls & routers provide upnp support to poke holes
09:03:14 < stepman> or they use outgoing connections that are kept alive
09:04:02 <+Llynix> was like computer A sends packet to computer B port X  packet gets dropped by router B but router A now allows traffic there..  computer B sends traffic from port X to computer A at port Y.. again router A drops.. but now router B allows traffic.. 
09:04:05 < roeles> Llynix: I know about the skype method
09:04:13 <+Llynix> and then they try it all again.. this time with holes in place
09:04:37 < roeles> it's called UDP hole punching
09:04:46 <+Llynix> shit it's UDP
09:04:53 <+Llynix> :(
09:04:54 < roeles> can be done with TCP too
09:04:57 <+Llynix> woot
09:05:04 < roeles> but 99% of all routers support UDP
09:05:10 < roeles> while 50% supports TCP
09:05:23 <+Llynix> :(
09:05:44 < roeles> figures, because you basically create a connection out of the blue
09:05:55 < roeles> works much better with UDP, since it's stateless
09:06:02 <+Llynix> right..
09:06:05 <+Llynix> was wondering about that
09:06:28 < roeles> a quick google on UDP hole punching should give you all the info you need :)
09:06:36 <+Llynix> ohh well.. I'll put that on my TODO later after more research
09:06:40 < roeles> :)
09:06:47 <+Llynix> raw log file analysis is next
09:07:00 < roeles> what would you use it for?
09:07:02 < roeles> p2p communication?
09:07:58 <+Llynix> we are streaming video from an event..
09:08:31 <+Llynix> when they got down there of course the network is completely different so it took me 15 mins to trace down IP's and router gateways etc etc.. luckily no one ever sets a damn password on a router
09:09:06 < roeles> ok
09:09:14 < roeles> you were using TCP for video streaming?
09:09:24 <+Llynix> mms over http
09:09:33 < roeles> ah, k
09:10:17 < what_nick_> VLC i guess
09:10:24 < what_nick_> UDP mostly works
09:10:24 <+Llynix> WME9 to VLC
09:10:34 < what_nick_> stepman: looks good
09:10:35 < roeles> VLC can do UDP streams
09:10:44 < what_nick_> generalized texture source :)
09:10:52 < what_nick_> cool
09:11:21 <+Llynix> I've been unable to get it to work between two VLC's and haven't gotten to mess with WME -> VLC because the boss wants to demo the fact that I got it done off to everyone in the world...
09:11:48 < roeles> we're using it all the time at campus
09:11:48 <+Llynix> although I guess that's a lame excuse.. because I could have easily just run two vlc's on the server :)
09:12:01 < roeles> we stream HDTV over UDP
09:12:10 * Llynix nods
09:12:13 <+Llynix> tons you can do there..
09:12:18 < roeles> :)
09:12:26 < what_nick_> roeles: can i tap in
09:12:34 < what_nick_> need to watch BSG
09:12:40 <+Nowak> heh
09:12:50 < roeles> nope, it's multicast and restricted to 130.89.160.0/19
09:12:52 <+Nowak> hdtv ... thats 10mbit or more ? :D
09:13:03 < roeles> Nowak: correct. won't work with wlan links :)
09:13:04 <+Llynix> what_nick shoulda said something last week.. I tested the whole thing with BSG :)
09:13:05 <+Nowak> so i dont think you can tap :D
09:13:25 < stepman> what_nick: works better than the terrain, too ;)
09:13:30 <+Nowak> what_nick_: i can stream b&b if you want :P
09:14:03 * stepman goes back into SIGGRAPH crunch mode
09:14:09 <+Llynix> until davinci code is done I can't stream anything :)
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09:14:49 < fiveofoh> So, stepman, what's this about you and the UN?
09:14:50 < what_nick_> :)
09:14:58 < what_nick_> ok go go stepman 
09:15:03 <+Llynix> Nowak is there an easy way to see how many active network connections there are?
09:15:25 < stepman> fiveofoh: well i can literally shine a laser pointer into their offices :)
09:15:33 <+Llynix> netstat | wc -l?
09:15:35 < what_nick_> http://www.isohunt.com/ <- got taken offline by MPAA
09:15:35 < stepman> (probably not a good idea in practice, though)
09:16:35 < what_nick_> so any commits from u soon stepman ?
09:16:37 < what_nick_> ....
09:16:44 < stepman> don't really have much time to prepare a talk, but if there's something i could recycle (more or less) i'll be glad to do so
09:16:52 * what_nick_ looks forward to stepman commit spike
09:17:13 < what_nick_> stepman: u should talk to T_Servo
09:17:21 < what_nick_> and send an email to Patrick
09:17:24 < stepman> what_nick: you'll start seeing much more of me after the 23rd
09:17:42 < what_nick_> they can send you powerpoints which u can rehash
09:17:45 < stepman> yeah
09:17:54 < what_nick_> they are sort of presentation guys around here
09:17:56 < stepman> i'lve just sent a reply to the list
09:18:02 * fiveofoh read the reply
09:18:15 < stepman> problem is, i have no clue at all about how these things go
09:18:32 < fiveofoh> Pat mentioned another guy, Arno Sharl - anyone know who he/she is?
09:18:37 < fiveofoh> Oops, he
09:18:53 < what_nick_> nope not me
09:18:53 < stepman> how much time? do i have a beamer? bring my own laptop? should i prep handouts? etc.
09:19:45 < stepman> as far as i know he's in graz
09:20:38 < stepman> that's a 2hr drive from vienna
09:21:17 < fiveofoh> So...we need to know more about how this thing works.  It's the 17-19th, it appears.
09:21:29 < fiveofoh> http://www.unvienna.org/unov/conference-detail.jsp?id=UNOV009185
09:21:37 * fiveofoh thinks "detail" is a little strong for that url
09:21:54 < stepman> he *used* to be at the vienna university of economics, though
09:22:28 < fiveofoh> Hmmm....
09:22:28 < fiveofoh> http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/Reports/publications.html
09:22:42 < stepman> fiveofoh: http://www.uncosa.unvienna.org/uncosa/en/iamos/index.html
09:23:57 < fiveofoh> You're better at finding stuff than me.
09:24:13 < fiveofoh> The "Information for Participants" seems quite helpful
09:24:37 < stepman> nah, i've just spent 20 minutes finding that stuff before i wrote my reply :)
09:24:51 < fiveofoh> Ah
09:25:10 < fiveofoh> Except for the stuff you mentioned :(
09:27:17 < fiveofoh> This seems like it would be a better place to talk about FEF than WW specifically
09:27:17 < stepman> yeah
09:27:28 < stepman> hmm, i dunno
09:27:30 < fiveofoh> Since FEF is all about using space-aquired imagery
09:27:51 < fiveofoh> And what to do with it (namely, distribute it freely)
09:27:53 < stepman> you guys decide ;)
09:28:18 < fiveofoh> Bull_[UK] should be up in a few hours, he'd probably be the one to talk to
09:29:00 < stepman> mhm
09:29:06 < fiveofoh> Being on the FEF board and all
09:29:16 < fiveofoh> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/People
09:29:17 < stepman> we've got more than 24 hours left, so no problem :)
09:29:26 < fiveofoh> Lol - sounds like my life
09:29:43 < fiveofoh> Too bad none of the FEF people are here
09:29:49 < fiveofoh> That I see
09:30:06 < fiveofoh> So your timezone is like +1?
09:30:34 < stepman> i guess i'll contact that focal point guy (Jamshid Gaziyev) and try to get some more information on the presentations
09:30:38 < stepman> yeah
09:30:45 < fiveofoh> So come back in a few hours, and more people who know more will be around
09:30:52 < fiveofoh> And contacting people would be good. :D
09:30:59 < stepman> certainly :)
09:31:45 < fiveofoh> This, being 9:00 UTC, is a very bad time for IRC
09:31:49 < fiveofoh> http://worldwind.puuhis.net/
09:31:58 < Ghostwolf> hmm
09:32:00 < fiveofoh> About 12 hours from now is the best time. ;)
09:32:04 < Ghostwolf> just uninstalled nww
09:32:09 < fiveofoh> Uh-oh
09:32:13 < fiveofoh> 1.4?
09:32:15 < stepman> ugh
09:32:19 < Ghostwolf> & small thing that could be done with uninstaller
09:32:30 < stepman> look at the List of Participants
09:32:33 < Ghostwolf> if you uninstall nww it removes all plugins
09:32:39 < stepman> http://www.uncosa.unvienna.org/docs/iamos/2007/crp-02E.doc
09:32:43 < Ghostwolf> but doesn't remove them from the add/remove list
09:33:05 < fiveofoh> @Ghostwolf: Hmm, that's not really small :P
09:33:17 < fiveofoh> Because if each add-on comes with its own installer, that's its business.
09:33:27 < fiveofoh> WW doesn't care how the addons get there.
09:33:46 * Ghostwolf smacks fiveofoh
09:33:53 < Ghostwolf> no back talking to the end user!
09:34:11 < fiveofoh> Lol...you hang out here enough, you don't count as an end user anymore. ;)
09:34:16 < stepman> participants are pretty much the OSA guys, UNITAR and WHO
09:34:21 < stepman> oh, and the ITU
09:34:31 < Ghostwolf> pfff
09:34:34 < Ghostwolf> my bnc is here
09:34:39 < Ghostwolf> how often do I talk anymore?
09:34:44 < fiveofoh> Hey, if we do it right, you're from a 3-letter organizatino too, you'd fit right in!
09:34:55 < fiveofoh> @Ghostwolf: I see you often enough
09:35:04 < fiveofoh> Not too frequent, but frequent enough
09:35:17 < stepman> hehe
09:35:30 < fiveofoh> Anyway, re: the installer - World Wind doesn't collect any data, and the add-on installers don't give any data, regarding how the addons were installed
09:35:51 < fiveofoh> And the add-on installer is not standardized
09:36:27 < fiveofoh> So one could either leave all the add-ons there (not very good), or remove all of them and perhaps search for the Add-on registry entries and remove them from the Add/Remove
09:36:51 < fiveofoh> But then if they have 1.3.5 installed, and 1.4, and they uninstall 1.4, 1.3.5 addon uninstallers go away...
09:36:55 < fiveofoh> It's just messy.
09:37:40 * fiveofoh wishes they'd have conference in Seattle
09:37:51 < Ghostwolf> well of course... you are making a windows based program... everything is messy
09:37:59 < fiveofoh> But this is especially messy
09:38:25 < fiveofoh> Now are you saying that in opposition to Linux or Mac?
09:39:11 < fiveofoh> @stepman: we could even spell things the british way, that'd help
09:39:34 < fiveofoh> "World Wind is an excellent programme..."
09:40:30 < fiveofoh> "Imagery should be centred on the people who pay for it" (assuming images are taken with taxpayers' money)
09:40:44 < fiveofoh> All kinds of fun, british/european-spelled stuff
09:40:49 < fiveofoh> :)
09:40:53 < Ghostwolf> linux
09:40:59 < stepman> now you're just being silly :)
09:41:05 < Ghostwolf> mac I won't touch
09:41:06 < fiveofoh> Me? Never
09:41:11 < Ghostwolf> windows only cause I game
09:41:42 <+Nowak> http://147.28.0.58/somap/?x=0.61993408203125&y=0.24597930908203125&sx=65536&sy=65536&layers=bmng_topo_bathy_200401,so_flood.juba1981,so_topo100k,&layer_manager=0
09:41:46 <+Nowak> test it please :D
09:42:18 < fiveofoh> @Ghostwolf: Linux can get downright messy, mostly becuase it's not standardized...I've got stuff running out of /usr/, /usr/local/, and even ~/Desktop/Packages/.  Mac is very clean - a nice App package that goes in Applications - usually distributed in a nice, clean dmg
09:42:23 < fiveofoh> Not that I'm a mac fan (I'm not)
09:42:27 < fiveofoh> But it's a contrast
09:42:36 < fiveofoh> @Nowak: Hey, you're FEF, officialy!
09:42:39 < fiveofoh> *ally
09:42:43 < fiveofoh> What do you think?
09:43:16 < Ghostwolf> well choose a linux system you like & then only use it's package system 
09:43:36 <+Nowak> fiveofoh: ?
09:43:39 < fiveofoh> Unless the stuff you want doesn't come in a nice deb
09:43:50 < fiveofoh> And you have to compile, or it comes compiled...it gets messy
09:43:58 < fiveofoh> @Nowak: about stepman and the UN
09:44:08 < fiveofoh> btw, the maps seem to be working fine here
09:44:08 <+Nowak> http://147.28.0.58/somap/?x=0.632110595703125&y=0.225128173828125&sx=32768&sy=32768&layers=so_vectorbase,onearth_visual_global_mosaic,&layer_manager=1
09:44:13 < Ghostwolf> don't want anything then :-p
09:44:26 < stepman> nowak: sometimes the button up doesn't go through, and the map 'sticks' until there's another click
09:44:26 < fiveofoh> Using Ubuntu Linux+Firefox
09:44:31 < stepman> (when dragging)
09:44:38 <+Nowak> http://147.28.0.58/somap/?x=0.6211804747581482&y=0.22305241227149963&sx=16777216&sy=16777216&layers=so_vectorbase,so_quickbird,&layer_manager=0
09:44:58 <+Nowak> stepman: hmm ? :D
09:45:03 <+Llynix> you can zoom out too far...
09:45:25 < stepman> nowk: click and hold, drag map, release button, move mouse, map still moves (sometimes)
09:45:34 < stepman> or do you mean the UN stuff?
09:45:38 <+Nowak> stepman: weird, never got that :D
09:45:50 < stepman> ah.
09:45:55 <+Nowak> stepman: what browser ?
09:46:01 <+Llynix> zoom in and out too far.. should be boundries
09:46:04 < fiveofoh> Mine is working fine, it's pretty slick
09:46:06 < stepman> firefox 2.0.0.1 (or so)
09:46:10 < fiveofoh> (Except for zooming of course)
09:46:14 < stepman> on vista x64 :D
09:46:33 < stepman> anyway,  it only happens when i drag the mouse outside the window
09:46:36 <+Nowak> stepman: well i have ff2 too, never had it stick ;)
09:46:41 * fiveofoh is FF 1.5, cause Ubuntu won't take to 2.0 very well. ;)
09:46:46 <+Nowak> fiveofoh: what about zooming ?
09:46:53 <+Llynix> can you change the cursor when you click?  Turn it into a hand grabbing the page?
09:46:56 < Ghostwolf> vista? theif!
09:47:04 <+Nowak> stepman: ahh, got it :D
09:47:09 < stepman> ghostwolf: no, official
09:47:15 * fiveofoh gets stepman's problem
09:47:46 < stepman> i've also got unreleased nvidia 8800GTX drivers :)
09:47:47 < fiveofoh> click, drag out of window, map stops, let go, come back into window, map moves with mouse not clicked
09:47:56 < fiveofoh> Just clicking the map fixes it though...not a big issue
09:48:31 < fiveofoh> @Nowak: I can definitely zoom out too far, right now the whole world is <1px, so I can't see it. :)
09:48:34 < what_nick_> Ghostwolf: i use gentoo :)
09:48:39 < what_nick_> and it is cool :)
09:49:11 <+Nowak> fiveofoh: thats a feature not a bug lol
09:49:34 < fiveofoh> What?  Making the world invisible?  I guess that could be considered a feature, ;)
09:50:08 < fiveofoh> The only problem I see is that mouse thing, and zooming (ish), and it's a little choppy (to be expected)
09:50:10 <+Llynix> help link is 404 :)
09:50:31 < fiveofoh> Zooming in too far, though, causes problems - the screen just goes grey
09:50:50 < fiveofoh> http://147.28.0.58/somap/?x=0.1592416763305664&y=0.12063121795654297&sx=8388608&sy=8388608&layers=bmng_topo_bathy_200401,so_flood.juba1981,onearth_visual_global_mosaic,&layer_manager=1
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09:52:08 < fiveofoh> You can also scoot off of the map into the grey nothingness
09:52:12 < fiveofoh> Boundaries in general
09:52:19 < fiveofoh> http://147.28.0.58/somap/?x=-0.7711172103881836&y=0.14937877655029297&sx=4096&sy=4096&layers=bmng_topo_bathy_200401,so_flood.juba1981,onearth_visual_global_mosaic,&layer_manager=1
09:53:05 < fiveofoh> Ooh, vectors are nice
09:53:28 < fiveofoh> Ugh
09:53:35 * fiveofoh has to get up for work in 5 hours
09:53:59 * fiveofoh didn't get enough sleep last night either
09:54:16 < what_nick_> neither did i
09:54:17 < fiveofoh> So, good night, I'll be back in a few hours
09:54:26 < what_nick_> i think i will go to bed
09:54:28 < fiveofoh> namely, about 6 hours
09:54:33 < fiveofoh> 6.5
09:54:45 < fiveofoh> so what, 16:30 UTC?
09:56:16 < fiveofoh> In any event, good night, Nowak, map thing is awesome, works great here.  Ghostwolf, dealing with addon installers would be a pain, the best I could think of is to have a separate utility to just purge the Add/Remove of certain items (ie Addons that have been uninstalled otherwise).  stepman, see you later, and good luck.
09:56:21 <+Nowak> fiveofoh: choppy, that may be the semi-transparent flooded areas layer :D
09:57:01 < fiveofoh> Nowak.choppy != fiveofoh.choppy
09:57:18 < fiveofoh> I meant speedwise (moving the map, loading tiles), not visually
09:57:23 < fiveofoh> Visually it's spectacular
09:57:38 <+Nowak> http://147.28.0.58/somap/?x=0.6233453750610352&y=0.2211141586303711&sx=131072&sy=131072&layers=so_topo200k,&layer_manager=0
09:57:53 <+Nowak> shouldnt be 'choppy' :D
09:58:42 >> #worldwind JOIN fiveofoh_Iliad (n=joel@h063.net161.dhcp.spu.edu)
09:58:47 < fiveofoh_Iliad> Did I leave?
09:59:01 <+Nowak> ... no
09:59:16 * fiveofoh_Iliad has two copies of Gaim open
09:59:46 * fiveofoh does
09:59:49 < fiveofoh_Iliad> and /me does
10:00:01 < what_nick_> someone needs add the UN thing here http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/News
10:00:20 * fiveofoh_Iliad is which one?
10:00:23 >> #worldwind PART fiveofoh_Iliad (n=joel@h063.net161.dhcp.spu.edu) ()
10:00:29 < fiveofoh> Ok, now I'm good
10:00:32 >> #worldwind JOIN fiveofoh_Iliad (n=joel@h063.net161.dhcp.spu.edu)
10:00:33 < what_nick_> stepman can shine his demo directly onto the UN buildings wall
10:00:39 >> #worldwind PART fiveofoh_Iliad (n=joel@h063.net161.dhcp.spu.edu) ()
10:00:49 < what_nick_> ur gaim is on autojon
10:00:52 < fiveofoh> Anyway...nowak, that one wasn't bad at all
10:01:15 < fiveofoh> what_nick_: No, I just wasn't sure which one it was, so I joined to see if it would bring up this window
10:01:20 < stepman> that might be fun
10:01:23 < fiveofoh> Or open up a new one as fiveofoh_Iliad
10:01:27 < stepman> just bring a laptop and run a demo
10:01:49 < stepman> assuming i can scrounge up some sort of network connectivity
10:02:11 < what_nick_> i always use my HDSPA network card
10:02:18 < what_nick_> gives me 1500kbps
10:02:33 < what_nick_> pretty much anywhere in australia
10:02:36 < stepman> don't have one
10:02:56 < fiveofoh> what_nick_: in vienna? ;)
10:03:13 < what_nick_> hmm u could set up a wireless node in ur building
10:03:26 < what_nick_> i am sure it will cover the UN building if it is close enuf
10:03:28 < what_nick_> :)
10:03:38 < stepman> mmh tricky
10:03:56 < stepman> depending on where that meeting is there might be *loads* of concrete in between
10:04:03 < fiveofoh> But I think, considering the point of the talk, it should be focused not so much on "we want imagery for World Wind" as much as "We want free imagery. The FEF is designed to use and distribute it.  World Wind is a tool to view it and such"
10:04:29 < what_nick_> distribution is a good point
10:04:35 < what_nick_> and WW can run in offline mode
10:04:38 < stepman> yeah
10:04:49 < what_nick_> UN would be interested in that for emergencies etc
10:04:51 < stepman> of course usage examples would be great
10:05:04 < what_nick_> they were interested in Jakarta
10:05:04 < fiveofoh> Yes - we don't need the EU to set up servers, just give us the imagery, and we'll serve it
10:05:18 < what_nick_> http://whatnick.blogspot.com/2006/08/1st-indonesian-geospatial-exhibition.html
10:05:25 < stepman> *nod*
10:05:29 < fiveofoh> But yes, also push WW's extensibility and free to all-ness
10:05:30 < what_nick_> there is not much network in Aceh
10:06:00 < fiveofoh> (and offline-ness - cache limited only by HD, what now GE?)
10:06:10 < what_nick_> fiveofoh: yep push the low software costs .. 
10:06:22 < stepman> ok gotta work
10:06:22 < what_nick_> and full extensibility
10:06:28 < what_nick_> ok then ..
10:06:38 < stepman> you guys figure out a talk outline and perhaps send it to the mailing list?
10:06:41 < fiveofoh> low costs and Public Domain-ness
10:06:41 * what_nick_ puts up commit expectancy meter
10:06:51 < stepman> then patrick or whoever can provide the slides
10:07:00 * fiveofoh will work on that tomorrow morning, if no one else has
10:07:04 < fiveofoh> Maybe
10:07:12 < stepman> cool :)
10:07:13 < fiveofoh> Altho I'm supposed to be working...
10:07:22 < what_nick_> fiveofoh: u seem to be reading literature
10:07:33 < what_nick_> so i assign u this onerous task
10:07:35 < fiveofoh> I'm also supposed to be reading the Iliad
10:07:47 < stepman> well there ought to be material around that i can just reuse.
10:07:51 < what_nick_> of coming up with words
10:07:58 * fiveofoh doesn't like words
10:08:28 < fiveofoh> But he can try...but he's at work until afternoon (my time) today
10:08:37 < stepman> 5of0: after writing 170 pages of my thesis, neither do i :P
10:09:10 < fiveofoh> And since it's already 10:00 AM UTC (right?)
10:09:15 < what_nick_> ya stepman how is the thesis coming
10:09:35 < what_nick_> we should put u and withak in a box and make u write theses
10:09:35 < fiveofoh> And I won't be out of stuff until like 14 hours from now...
10:09:47 < fiveofoh> That's wee morning of the 19th UTC
10:09:53 < fiveofoh> Not much time
10:10:00 < what_nick_> fiveofoh: ok ...
10:10:03 < stepman> what_nick: latest build status is on my homepage, or at http://www.stephanmantler.com/files/diss-status.html :)
10:10:11 < what_nick_> i can come up with words
10:10:24 < fiveofoh> My time zone just doesn't agree with yours. :(
10:10:30 < fiveofoh> Or with Vienna's anyway
10:10:49 < stepman> vienna is UTC+1
10:10:51 < what_nick_> stepman: want me to make the slides ..
10:11:03 * what_nick_ goes into slide churn mode
10:11:22 < stepman> what_nick i'm sure there are already slides around
10:11:27 < what_nick_> me too
10:11:35 < what_nick_> we need T_Servo
10:11:38 < stepman> yea
10:12:06 < stepman> i'd say we wait until he, patrick and bull (and whoever else may have material) wake up
10:12:23 < what_nick_> ya i am going to get some wine
10:12:25 < fiveofoh> Sounds like a good idea...I know bull usually wakes up about 3 hours from now
10:12:30 < what_nick_> it is raining and cold
10:12:32 < fiveofoh> 2-3 hrs
10:12:37 < stepman> alrighty
10:12:55 < stepman> i'll check back later too. gotta close that stupid window and get back into code mode :)
10:12:59 < fiveofoh> So, right now it's 11:15 AM vienna time, the 18th?
10:13:08 < stepman> yeah 5of0
10:13:42 < fiveofoh> Meaning I'd be awake, but at work at about 5:15PM vienna time
10:13:46 < fiveofoh> fyi
10:13:53 < fiveofoh> (and on #worldwind)
10:14:03 < fiveofoh> or 17:15, if you prefer
10:14:07 < stepman> cool.
10:14:17 < stepman> i'll try to be around then.
10:14:33 < fiveofoh> I'll be around after that though
10:14:34 < stepman> there's apparently a meeting scheduled for this afternoon, but i doubt i can be bothered
10:14:58 < fiveofoh> Until like 22:00 vienna
10:15:06 < stepman> i'll check in later tonight too.
10:15:19 < fiveofoh> OK.  You, shut the window and code! ;)
10:15:21 < stepman> probably before ~9pm sounds good.
10:15:25 < stepman> right :)
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10:33:58 < what_nick_> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Wireless-Spy-Cam-Camera-for-RC-Helicopter-N-RC-Car_W0QQitemZ250072731393QQihZ015QQcategoryZ84444QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
10:34:06 < what_nick_> hmm anyone wanna get that
10:34:19 < what_nick_> i promise to make a feed from my heli once I have that
10:42:56 < Ghostwolf> how come I can't use nww to guide missles yet?
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12:20:56 < T_Servo_Work> morn all
12:24:00 < roeles> moin
12:25:29 < what_nick_> T
12:25:43 < what_nick_> we need powerpoints for vienna
12:29:08 < T_Servo_Work> already sent him the stuff I have been doing
12:29:49 < what_nick_> kk 
12:30:26 < T_Servo_Work> If I Can just hold this flu/cold bug back 2 days.. I'll be good
12:31:35 < what_nick_> i have big commitments for this -> http://www.apogee.com.au/news/nas.html
12:31:47 < what_nick_> is gonna chew up a lot of time
12:31:57 < what_nick_> :(
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12:33:28 < T_Servo_Work> you have till 2008 though
12:33:29 < T_Servo_Work> ;)
12:38:38 < what_nick_> i have to set up automated processing facilities at a groundstation
12:38:48 < what_nick_> that will be fun :)
12:51:06 < T_Servo_Work> nice
12:51:12 < T_Servo_Work> getting a pay raise as well?
12:53:31 < what_nick_> nope not yet ....
13:07:37 < roeles> too bad
13:09:09 < roeles> did anyone ever test WW with mono?
13:09:19 < T_Servo_Work> not lately I think
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13:14:34 < T_Servo_Work> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.jp%2Fgp%2Famabot%2F%3Fpf_rd_url%3D%252Fo%252FASIN%252F4839920419%252Fref%253Ds9_asin_image_1%252F503-4421748-2492758%26pf_rd_p%3D61605506%26pf_rd_s%3Dcenter-2%26pf_rd_t%3D101%26pf_rd_i%3D489986%26pf_rd_m%3DAN1VRQENFRJN5%26pf_rd_r%3D194WAHJZWVX8F061Z0DY&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
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13:59:01 < withak> roeles: adamhill did a while ago
13:59:18 < withak> i think he said everything except the directx stuff worked
14:04:49 < roeles> ah, sweet
14:09:35 < T_Servo_Work> but that was with the .net 1.1 version
14:09:58 < T_Servo_Work> what is the mono support level with .net 2.0?
14:22:27 < roeles> no clue
14:26:38 < roeles> I'm not into Managed code, I was just wondering
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14:32:30 < hany> hi
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14:34:13 < T_Servo_Work> gotta stay longer than 10 seconds
14:34:31 < Selar> just popping in to say hi
14:35:31 < T_Servo_Work> http://forum.worldwindcentral.com/showthread.php?t=8284
14:35:33 < T_Servo_Work> hmm
14:35:50 < T_Servo_Work> strange post.. but no spam... just seems off though
14:37:42 < T_Servo_Work> from Patrick: If there is anyone out there outside of NASA that should speak the gooness of World Wind, it is you
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16:15:53 < roeles> stormy weather distroyed some UTP :/
16:20:39 < withak> today i learned that the vb macro editor in office 2007 is still basically the same as it was in 1997 :(
16:20:49 < withak> i feel like i'm making punch cards
16:22:31 < T_Servo_Work> poor withak
16:23:00 < T_Servo_Work> maybe they figure not many people use that feature?
16:24:04 < withak> anyone who uses excel for any kind of halfway-complex engineering/research calcs pretty much has to use it :(
16:30:59 < withak> http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Excel-Scientific-Data-Analysis/dp/0195152751
16:31:02 < withak> this book is awesome
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16:42:26 < Selar> excel?
16:42:38 < Selar> don't they make you use sas or something?
16:48:01 < withak> not sure who "they" is, but no
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16:48:23 < withak> sas would be overkill
16:48:32 < withak> and excel is a lot faster to do stuff in
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16:55:50 < fiveofo1> @withak: try writing animation in Office 2003 via macros
16:56:05 < withak> no thanks :)
16:56:28 < fiveofo1> I meant in powerpoint - they updated the animation capabilities immensely, but the macro interface is still parallell to PowerPoint 97
16:56:35 < fiveofo1> :(
16:57:15 < fiveofo1> It's funny how that chinese/japanese selling World Wind is getting rave reviews, when they paid for it. :D
16:58:09 < Kuutio> Selling?
17:02:18 < fiveofo1> Yup.  I don't think it's illegal.
17:02:25 < fiveofo1> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.jp%2Fgp%2Famabot%2F%3Fpf_rd_url%3D%252Fo%252FASIN%252F4839920419%252Fref%253Ds9_asin_image_1%252F503-4421748-2492758%26pf_rd_p%3D61605506%26pf_rd_s%3Dcenter-2%26pf_rd_t%3D101%26pf_rd_i%3D489986%26pf_rd_m%3DAN1VRQENFRJN5%26pf_rd_r%3D194WAHJZWVX8F061Z0DY&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
17:03:00 < Kuutio> Uhhh... you should really tiny that long urls before pasting :P
17:03:06 < fiveofo1> I like this translation for "4 out of 5 people found this review helpful": IIn 5 people, 4, “this review became reference”, that you vote.
17:03:23 < fiveofo1> @Kuutio: But that takes effort. ;)
17:03:55 < T_Servo_Work> they are not selling world wind though, but a book with a CD
17:04:52 < fiveofo1> Ah.  I wasn't entirely sure
17:05:01 < fiveofo1> Well that's cool
17:07:17 < fiveofo1> It's about ~25USD, btw
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17:45:21 < T_Servo_Work> 3.5 hours till my flight leaves
17:45:43 < T_Servo_Work> better go in 10 mins or so then
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18:24:26 < stepman> LO
18:24:35 * stepman apologizes for caps lock
18:25:32 < fiveofoh_work> 'lo
18:25:43 < fiveofoh_work> And I forgive you. ;)
18:27:59 < adamhill> hey stepman
18:29:46 < stepman> 'lo adam
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18:55:17 < adamhill> stepman: are you here to fix up Unstable for us? :)
18:55:44 < stepman> adam: yes and no
18:55:46 < fiveofoh_work> I think he's here to figure out wether he's going across the street or not
18:55:48 < fiveofoh_work> ;)
18:56:12 < stepman> yes i'll fix it but not now. realistically, i can get back to WW about next thursday
18:56:43 < stepman> yeah that UN stuff may be interesting
18:57:04 < stepman> apparently there was a registration deadline on the 10th, though
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19:04:52 * fiveofoh_work hates deadlines
19:05:01 * fiveofoh_work likes the wooshing sound, though
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19:12:38 < stepman_> *hrmpf*
19:17:20 < fiveofoh_work> ?
19:17:51 < stepman_> broken network cable
19:27:29 < stepman_> heh
19:27:51 < stepman_> we've had a directx10 capable card & preliminary drivers from nvidia for about 24 hours
19:28:01 < stepman_> and we've already exceeded its specs :D
19:28:17 < adamhill> what did you get?
19:29:01 < stepman_> GeForce 8800GTX
19:29:26 < Kuutio> Why on earth?-)
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19:29:32 < Kuutio> Expensive and pretty much useless atm
19:29:38 < stepman_> not really
19:29:49 < stepman_> we've also got (inofficial) alpha drivers from nvidia ;)
19:29:49 < Kuutio> By the time there will be real DX10 games, that'll be outdated.
19:30:06 < Kuutio> Ahh, ok, if it's for professional use or something.
19:30:11 < stepman_> well some people need to *write* the software before it hits the market...
19:30:14 < Kuutio> Yeah.
19:30:23 < Kuutio> Sorry, I'm thinking consumer. It's the job. :)
19:31:03 < stepman_> no problem :)
19:31:37 < stepman_> my private pc is a laptop that's barely capable of running shader model 2.0 software
19:32:01 < stepman_> i wouldn't think of privately buying new hardware this early.
19:33:09 < adamhill> especially with 45nm fabs ramping up
19:33:59 < stepman_> hell yeah
19:34:36 < adamhill> have you heard any rumblings of dual core GPU's on a single die yet?
19:36:29 < stepman_> nope
19:37:27 < stepman_> afaik nvidia is so set on getting G80's out the door at the moment that there's a shortage on cards even for the internal devs
19:41:21 < stepman_> but i'm sure they've got the next generation (or possibly two) in the development pipeline
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21:07:09 < Bull_[UK]> withak - could you put that internal browser on/off option in the web browser menu
21:07:41 < withak> yeah
21:07:44 < withak> i'll do it tonight
21:07:58 < Bull_[UK]> thanks :)
21:08:27 < Bull_[UK]> it will just me more user friendly
21:08:50 < Bull_[UK]> be*
21:12:27 < adamhill> any reason FileDialog is not using a real file dialog?
21:15:05 < withak> it does
21:15:18 < withak> to choose local files
21:15:24 < withak> it can take urls also
21:18:58 < Bull_[UK]> probably a dumb question but is there a way we can automatically check if WW is running as an orphan process (after a crsh for example) on startup
21:19:44 * Bull_[UK] told Patrick he wasnt sure it was possible
21:19:50 < withak> doesn't it tell you that when the  log file is locked?
21:20:49 < Bull_[UK]> it throws a file lock error, but then you have to use taskmgr to close it
21:21:31 < Bull_[UK]> I think Patrick was thinking auto kill the process
21:22:43 < adamhill> hmm there is an unmanaged API to check process names, but how to tell that from a correctly running version, that you just want to pass the URL to ?
21:24:31 < withak> i don't know if i've ever seen an app that could detect that and kill its old self
21:31:33 < adamhill> well it is complicated, open a socket on a high port, make it respond to requests *but* put the method to reply in the main thread of WW, if it doesnt reply after n tries kill it
21:32:12 < adamhill> there is an article someplace that shows how to use that for duplicate process detection, two birds, one stone :)
21:32:17 < withak> tell patrick it's not possible :)
21:32:59 < adamhill> yes, add it to the "wish list"
21:32:59 >> SignOff: maurizioZA (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [#worldwind]
21:33:15 < Bull_[UK]> yup
21:33:28 < m_k_> you better made ww not to crash and problem solved :)
21:33:37 >> m_k_ is now known as m_k
21:33:53 < withak> isn't windows supposed to clean up after a crash though?
21:34:12 < Bull_[UK]> lol
21:34:22 < Bull_[UK]> sorry
21:36:15 >> #worldwind JOIN maurizioZA (n=mdef@196.207.32.235)
21:50:18 < Bull_[UK]> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6274527.stm
22:04:58 < roeles_> 288 Mph
22:04:59 < roeles_> wow
22:05:02 >> roeles_ is now known as roeles
22:07:11 < m_k> hm... this is going to be a windy night
22:07:23 < m_k> Cyril storm over Europe
22:08:56 < roeles> it already is in .nl
22:09:12 < roeles> power is dipping, trees falling over and such
22:09:28 >> #worldwind JOIN stepman (n=stephan@h081217027159.dyn.cm.kabsi.at)
22:10:01 < m_k> aproaching Warsaw right now...
22:10:14 < m_k> we have funny weather this year
22:10:51 < stepman> funny weather is good
22:11:07 < stepman> it's mid january and i haven't seen any snow worth mentioning :-/
22:11:37 < m_k> yup
22:13:28 < m_k> it would be nice weather for bike riding (+10C) unfortunately, when i have time it rains or wind blows :)
22:14:04 < m_k> and a year ago it was -30C...
22:15:35 < stepman> mhm
22:15:40 * Bull_[UK] was lucy no powercuts or anything
22:15:49 < stepman> a year ago i had about 20 backcountry ski tours by mid january
22:15:53 < stepman> this year: zero
22:18:45 >> #worldwind JOIN m_k_ (i=Michal@drt16.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
22:24:17 < m_k_> Bull_[UK]: damn you! just after you said this i had first powercut :)
22:25:09 >> SignOff: m_k (Nick collision from services.) [#worldwind]
22:25:15 >> m_k_ is now known as m_k
22:29:36 >> SignOff: m_k ("gone with the wind") [#worldwind]
22:42:56 < _adam_gfx> wow, the new ArcGis Explorer build has a red north arrow
22:44:12 < Selar> what'd it have before?
22:47:45 >> #worldwind JOIN Chade (n=chatzill@150.101.97.93)
22:49:27 < _adam_gfx> just a standard 8 diamond compass, black and gret
22:49:33 < _adam_gfx> *grey
22:56:07 < _adam_gfx> Bull: while you have Patrick's ear poke him to poke Chris about Saturn on the server
23:03:56 < stepman> huh?
23:04:17 < stepman> ACM portal is down, pretty much all the CiteSeer sites are down...
23:05:46 < adamhill> bwahaha, SIGGRAPH.org is still up :)
23:06:07 < stepman> well the acm.org main site is up as well
23:06:10 < stepman> but portal.acm.org is down
23:06:22 < stepman> (the acm digital library)
23:06:55 < stepman> which sucks if you're looking for research publications :P
23:07:26 >> SignOff: withak ("*sploosh*") [#worldwind]
23:21:41 < stepman> heh
23:21:53 < stepman> with a little luck my final thesis will have svn revision 666 
23:22:09 < adamhill> haha
23:29:31 >> SignOff: stepman ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") [#worldwind]
23:29:44 < Bull_[UK]> adam - there seems to be a major lack of comunication between P atrick and the others, and I cant find Chris
23:31:13 >> #worldwind JOIN withak (n=ejnewman@74-134-246-97.dhcp.insightbb.com)
23:31:22 < Bull_[UK]> Randy is looking t 1.4 now, so expect some fun soon ;)
23:31:51 < Bull_[UK]> where is fiveofo the slacker ;)
23:31:57 < withak> the good kind of fun or the bad kind
23:32:11 < Bull_[UK]> could be either
23:32:44 < Bull_[UK]> you never know with Randy, he likes things perfect
23:33:01 < withak> he's welcome to make them perfect then :)
23:33:07 < withak> i'm a big fan of good enough
23:33:31 < Bull_[UK]> hopefully he will make a compass png at least
23:33:53 < Bull_[UK]> ] motms"lyst"fkr~t!hoqwni
23:33:57 < Bull_[UK]> huh
23:34:16 * Bull_[UK] likes just about enough
23:34:31 < Bull_[UK]> ./e must be encrypt
23:34:37 < Bull_[UK]> weird
23:38:27 < Bull_[UK]> Chade or what_nick__ can you take a look at http://www.alpix.com/3d/worldwin/WW132_SkyAndFog11.zip Pat can't figure out why it stopped working
23:39:14 < Bull_[UK]> it loads without errors but no fog shows
23:39:40 < Bull_[UK]> ignore skygradient thats fixed
23:48:20 >> #worldwind JOIN nhv (n=chatzill@dsl0-1.cape.com)
23:48:23 >> Mode #worldwind "+v nhv" by ChanServ
23:51:39 < adamhill> some low hanging fruit - http://news.com.com/Find+toxic+wastelands+via+Google+Earth/2100-1028_3-6150952.html
23:53:03 < Bull_[UK]> Agency representatives decided on the XML format because they viewed it as "very portable and translatable," heh
23:53:45 < withak> that would make a nifty plugin
23:53:56 < withak> GE can't make it searchable :)
23:54:25 < Bull_[UK]> :)
23:57:59 < withak> i want to do something neat with it but i have to actually get work done tonight :(
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