--- Log opened Sat Feb 17 00:00:25 2007
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00:03:28 >> #worldwind JOIN T_Servo (n=TomServo@205-208-133-88.ispnetbilling.com)
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00:12:29 < tyrnight> how do you load the USGS layer in ver 1.4
00:12:53 < T_Servo> open the layer manager, then open images and then USGS
00:13:00 < tyrnight> how do you load the USGS layer in ver 1.4
00:13:09 <@Bull_[UK]> what operating system?
00:13:28 < T_Servo> hrm
00:13:36 < tyrnight>  the IRC is slow on my connection..
00:14:00 < T_Servo> I can;t figure out what was causing rundll32 to use 49% of the CPU... thoought it was something in WW.. but nothing repeated
00:14:38 < tyrnight> its not there...
00:15:03 < T_Servo> 1) using vista?  2) firewall or proxy?
00:15:03 < tyrnight> I read the FAQ and its not in the same place... hmm
00:15:07 < tyrnight> vista
00:15:28 <@Bull_[UK]> turn off UAC
00:15:29 < T_Servo> turn UAC off and reboot
00:16:33 <@Bull_[UK]> anyone added that to the FAQ?
00:16:47 < T_Servo> no idea
00:16:54 < tyrnight> nope.. strait connection.. 
00:16:59 < tyrnight> it worded in ver 1.3
00:17:09 <@Bull_[UK]> of course it is in the release notes
00:17:29 <@Bull_[UK]> turn off UAC
00:17:35 <@Bull_[UK]> reboot
00:17:47 < tyrnight> there is no selection for USGS in the layer manager..
00:17:50 < tyrnight> a odd
00:18:05 < T_Servo> he is lagged Bull_[UK] 
00:18:15 <@Bull_[UK]> yeah very
00:18:24 < T_Servo> hmm, I am actually getting use to using the space navigator
00:18:35 <@Bull_[UK]> :)
00:18:38 < T_Servo> it is youchy though
00:18:41 < T_Servo> touchy
00:19:01 < T_Servo> but gives you more accurate moving around
00:19:19 <@Bull_[UK]> tried it in GE to compare?
00:19:36 < T_Servo> tomorrow, when I am at the library
00:19:43 <@Bull_[UK]> cool
00:19:51 < T_Servo> GE is slow as crap in winter on a dialup
00:19:59 <@Bull_[UK]> yea
00:20:03 < T_Servo> actually.. it is litterly unuseable
00:20:47 < T_Servo> but need to build up my cache tomorrow so I can do some tours
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00:25:27 <+adamhill> anyone gettting esat tiles? I am just getting black ones
00:25:33 <+adamhill> even at level 0
00:26:32 < withak> a few hours ago i was getting black tiles too
00:26:58 <+adamhill> T_Servo: rundll could be almost anything, it does as it name implies - run a method in a dll that you specify
00:27:14 <+adamhill> almost impossible to see *what* it ran though
00:27:29 < T_Servo> yea.. I was guessing it was something WW related
00:27:42 < T_Servo> but it just would not get out of the 49% cpu use.. had to reboot
00:28:36 < withak> you could look in process explorer and see if it is doing anything that looks odd
00:28:44 <@Bull_[UK]> i3 tiles are ok here
00:28:55 < T_Servo> thought maybe it was something in WW since that is the only program I have used much
00:29:02 < T_Servo> i3 work fine as well for me
00:29:05 <+adamhill> could be AV running
00:29:21 <+adamhill> T_Servo: are you using withaks XML file or a different one?
00:29:54 < T_Servo> my own
00:30:05 <+adamhill> stick it in pastebin
00:30:09 < T_Servo> ok
00:30:38 < withak> i'm getting black tiles right now
00:31:30 < T_Servo> ok, one I learn how to hold the spacenavigator I'll be better off
00:31:35 < T_Servo> once i learn
00:31:41 < T_Servo> http://pastebin.com/882692
00:31:48 < T_Servo> was using that as of 4 minutes ago
00:33:46 < T_Servo> ahhh
00:33:56 * Bull_[UK] is getting fed up of youtube emailing every time he getd a comment
00:34:23 < T_Servo> bet ya it is the SpaceMouse.cs that caused my rundll32 to spike and not release
00:34:35 < T_Servo>    //private functions imported from the Win32 API
00:34:37 < T_Servo>    [DllImport("user32.dll")]
00:34:37 <@Bull_[UK]> lol
00:35:15 <@Bull_[UK]> thats a heavy spike for a mouse
00:35:44 < T_Servo> that is just in the messagebox
00:35:58 <@Bull_[UK]> weird
00:36:08 < withak> what on earth are the doing with that?
00:36:33 < T_Servo> I am 90% sure that is what caused rundll32 to spike and stay that way
00:36:39 < T_Servo> want to see the code?
00:36:51 <@Bull_[UK]> collecting all toms file info
00:37:00 < T_Servo> they want to know if this can be part of the WW install
00:37:06 < withak> phoning home with every movement
00:37:28 < withak> tell them we need more to test with first :)
00:37:36 <@Bull_[UK]> yup
00:37:42 < T_Servo> where is that user's spacemouse plug-in on the forum?
00:37:47 <@Bull_[UK]> definately
00:39:27 < T_Servo> http://pastebin.com/882694  spacemouse.cs
00:39:46 < T_Servo> I am not 100% sure the three options make any difference
00:41:46 <@Bull_[UK]> tell them I'll do a youtube video, 80000 views on the promo
00:41:50 <@Bull_[UK]> ;)
00:42:08 < T_Servo> you just take care of the 3d buildings
00:42:38 <@Bull_[UK]> ughh, I get nothing free there ;)
00:42:51 <@Bull_[UK]> but I will
00:44:58 <@Bull_[UK]> just need a break, my brains toasted today, and I have to reply to an austrsalian reporter who is doing an article on wikis
00:45:05 < T_Servo> ok, found the other plug-in.. trying it
00:45:17 < T_Servo> why would he ask you stuff?
00:45:21 < T_Servo> ;)
00:46:00 <@Bull_[UK]> she :)
00:46:25 < T_Servo> still, why you? ;)
00:46:55 < T_Servo> whoa!
00:47:01 < T_Servo> down boy!
00:47:46 <@Bull_[UK]> she saw wwc and my blog profile, and knows I admin it, or saw my picture and thought 'what a hunk'
00:48:24 < T_Servo> roflmao!
00:48:44 < T_Servo> ok.. the user developed plug-in is like trying to control a while horse
00:48:49 < T_Servo> wild
00:49:13 * T_Servo winders if he will get infamous enough that someone will interviw him about WW ;)
00:49:48 <@Bull_[UK]> hehe
00:50:01 < T_Servo> have to admit.. I like moving the globe without having to move the mouse everywhere
00:50:06 < withak> there are probably scaling factors you can adjust
00:50:38 <@Bull_[UK]> can you roll upside down?
00:50:43 < withak> to cut down on the wildness of the horse
00:51:06 <@Bull_[UK]> thats awkward with a mouse
00:52:40 < what_nick_> morning ll
00:55:32 < T_Servo> i can roll, but the WW camera doesn;t roll
00:56:00 <@Bull_[UK]> bank lock off?
00:56:08 <@Bull_[UK]> hi wn
00:57:22 <@Bull_[UK]> what_nick_ did it look like much needed changing to get planet9's plugins working in 1.4?
00:57:46 * Bull_[UK] guesses camera fix
00:57:53 < what_nick_> where is the planet9 plugin ?
00:58:07 < what_nick_> is it available as source ?
00:58:32 < T_Servo> planet9 has no plug-in, they are just the models
00:58:46 <@Bull_[UK]> http://www.planet9.com/demos_launch.html
00:59:10 <@Bull_[UK]> plugins too for the models
00:59:26 <@Bull_[UK]> worked in 1.3.5
00:59:41 <@Bull_[UK]> it is a .cs irc
00:59:55 <@Bull_[UK]> based on mashis
01:01:48 <@Bull_[UK]> I tried making an xml to load the included .x natvely but it was slow and didnt work
01:02:14 <@Bull_[UK]> you may have more luck
01:02:26 <@Bull_[UK]> vegas is best
01:02:46 < what_nick_> i am getting LA
01:02:55 * what_nick_ is on trickle net
01:04:33 < T_Servo> http://forum.worldwindcentral.com/showthread.php?t=8803
01:05:16 * Bull_[UK] doesnt see the plugins on that page now hmm
01:05:39 <@Bull_[UK]> ahh there
01:06:05 <@Bull_[UK]> virtual earth had me confused
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01:18:09 < what_nick_> Hmm i have tried the Leica product
01:18:16 < what_nick_> it has pretty bad navigation
01:26:16 < withak> is it actually based on WW?
01:27:16 < withak> that's the app with the screenshot that looked like WW, right?
01:32:10 <+adamhill> no
01:32:17 <+adamhill> thats the YouTube videos
01:41:15 <@Bull_[UK]> leica TITAN isn't it?
01:43:14 < what_nick_> I have LA from Planet9
01:43:27 < what_nick_> it is a .X model of the whole city
01:43:30 < what_nick_> with textures
01:43:36 < what_nick_> all in one model
01:44:03 < what_nick_> so obviously does not benefit from stuff i was talking about e.g. oc culling and frustrum culling
01:44:20 < what_nick_> except what is built in the mesh rendering code in DX
01:44:35 < what_nick_> hmm i will try to make it work
01:51:35 <@Bull_[UK]> cool, it worked ok in 1.3.5
01:52:31 <@Bull_[UK]> not horribly slowly anyway
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02:24:06 <+adamhill> hmm so maybe they have set up Vertex buffers
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02:42:39 < T_Servo> http://www.allpointsblog.com/archives/2513-Friends-of-Jim-Gray-Call-Off-Search.html
02:43:12 <@Bull_[UK]> yeah :(
02:52:22 < T_Servo> I am really surprised.. new verson of WW and the IRC vists and forum visits are quite low
02:52:52 < what_nick_> Everyone is lovw with GE
02:53:01 < what_nick_> there are too many virtual globes
02:53:17 < what_nick_> Google is ranking down World Wind searches as a business practice
02:53:25 < T_Servo> almost 100k downloads on sourceforge for the last 3 days
02:54:19 < what_nick_> Is there another SOC coming up ?
02:54:28 < what_nick_> there is talk in #gdal about SOC ..
02:54:41 < T_Servo> yep
02:55:24 < T_Servo> by the way... no Yahoo! for now
02:56:21 < what_nick_> :(
02:56:27 < what_nick_> damn 
02:56:38 < what_nick_> ok lunch and laundry time
02:56:48 < what_nick_> the Camera fix will fix planet9
02:56:49 < T_Servo> they don;t think they could afford the costs
02:56:56 < withak> bandwidth?
02:56:59 < withak> o.O
02:57:10 < what_nick_> Yahoo could not afford the costs
02:57:16 < what_nick_> u kidding me ..
02:57:23 < withak> are they going broke or something?
02:57:27 < T_Servo> the imagery costs
02:57:35 < what_nick_> ok hungry cant talk anymore without food
02:57:39 < T_Servo> they pay by how much is used
02:58:02 < withak> that seems like not the best deal to get for internet distribution
02:58:16 < withak> if you are the distributor
02:58:28 < withak> it's probably awesome if you are the one that owns the content
02:58:41 < T_Servo> I think that they think WW use your be astrnomical
02:59:24 < withak> even if we promise not to report our usage amount :)
02:59:47 < T_Servo> http://virtualearth.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2BBC66E99FDCDB98!8138.entry
02:59:51 < withak> they can just tell their partners "nope, not a single download this month, sorry"
02:59:57 < T_Servo> nice
03:01:15 < withak> my local public transit district has gps on their buses now so you can look up exactly how many minutes away your bus is
03:01:22 < withak> on the web or by text message
03:01:38 < withak> which was handy this week when they were on random schedules because of the snow
03:01:57 < fiveofoh> not sure what it is, but our bus system has a similar thing
03:02:04 < withak> everyone else waits outside for 30 minutes and i just wait until the web site says the bus is five minutes away, then head out the door :)
03:02:17 < fiveofoh> And the super-terminals have airport-style screens
03:02:35 < fiveofoh> That tell you if your bus is on-time, delayed 5 min, 30min, etc
03:02:40 < withak> http://cumtd.com/stopwatch/Default.aspx
03:03:04 < withak> this one just tell you how many minutes it is from a given intersection
03:03:52 < fiveofoh> Mine's super-fancy....
03:04:23 < fiveofoh> http://transit.metrokc.gov/oltools/tracker.html
03:04:50 < fiveofoh> http://tracker-map.metrokc.gov/
03:05:02 < withak> i want a map with moving dots
03:05:09 < fiveofoh> Thats what the second link is. :D
03:05:13 < fiveofoh> Check it out...it's spiffy
03:05:53 < fiveofoh> And there's also the "Delayed 3 min" kind
03:05:53 < fiveofoh> http://tracker-loc.metrokc.gov/avl.jsp?id=4308
03:06:50 < T_Servo> ok, night
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03:08:07 < fiveofoh> withak: living in the biggest city in the state has it's advantages :)
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03:10:09 >> #worldwind PART blackrose (n=blackros@user-24-236-66-40.knology.net) ()
03:12:17 < fiveofoh> And in a tech-saturated area
03:12:19 < fiveofoh> Home of MS
03:12:30 < fiveofoh> #1 on Wired's list of Geek Cities
03:12:46 < fiveofoh> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/geekcities.html
03:13:23 < fiveofoh> And #1 on eWeek's list:
03:13:24 < fiveofoh> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1977764,00.asp
03:14:13 * fiveofoh hugs seattle
03:21:04 < fiveofoh> \
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03:33:42 < fiveofoh> \]
03:46:25 * fiveofoh ponders making an "Essentials" CD...
03:46:46 * what_nick_ considers relocating to Seattle
03:46:49 < fiveofoh> WW, FF, Adaware, Spybot, AVG, Gaim, Blender3D, etc
03:46:55 < what_nick_> any jobs going ?
03:47:01 < fiveofoh> Evidently is #10 on DIce
03:47:04 < fiveofoh> *Dice
03:48:51 < fiveofoh> http://tinyurl.com/36zddj
03:49:21 < fiveofoh> ^^Dice job search
04:01:42 < what_nick_> Meh i dont feel like relocating
04:07:46 <@Bull_[UK]> withak has a python job going
04:08:18 < what_nick_> I will take it
04:08:25 < what_nick_> as long as I can telecommute
04:08:31 < what_nick_> i fixed planet 9
04:08:37 <@Bull_[UK]> hehe maybe
04:08:41 <@Bull_[UK]> cool
04:08:41 < what_nick_> it is quite fast
04:08:54 < what_nick_> i only have LA loaded though
04:09:00 < what_nick_> and it is not very big
04:09:23 <@Bull_[UK]> did you send the .cs to p9 or shall I?
04:09:43 <@Bull_[UK]> I ave las vegas
04:10:28 < what_nick_> nah I am still tweaking it ...
04:11:36 < what_nick_> I want some demonstratable streaming going like they wanted 
04:12:16 <@Bull_[UK]> col
04:15:00 <@Bull_[UK]> shoot me an email or paste it here when you are done I'd like to try vegas
04:15:37 <@Bull_[UK]> wil buildngs cast shadows ?
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04:22:09 < what_nick_> http://whatnick.blogspot.com/2007/02/world-wind-14-and-3d-cities.html
04:22:16 < what_nick_> thats what I have so far
04:22:26 < what_nick_> the builds are all in 1 block
04:22:34 < what_nick_> ie 1 DX model
04:22:46 < what_nick_> model shadow casting is not there yet
04:23:06 < what_nick_> but as I read more i can probably toy with some soft shadows
04:23:25 < what_nick_> I hope the contract me to do some stuff :D
04:24:00 <@Bull_[UK]> :)
04:24:09 <@Bull_[UK]> looks good
04:25:19 < what_nick_> there are several optimizations i can see of hand
04:25:20 <@Bull_[UK]> Patrick is getting the Ames blimp from them :)
04:25:28 < what_nick_> e.g. texture mipmapping 
04:26:42 <@Bull_[UK]> wonder if tey will work in anaglyph mode
04:28:08 < what_nick_> where is the 1.4.1 todo list
04:28:31 < what_nick_> If you have some time could you also clean up JIRA
04:28:40 < what_nick_> and close all the closed bugs etc ...
04:29:08 <@Bull_[UK]> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/World_Wind_1.4.1_Notes
04:29:30 <@Bull_[UK]> yeah, I'll ty tomorrw
04:30:01 <@Bull_[UK]> visitors are gone then :)
04:35:48 < what_nick_> added updates
04:35:53 < what_nick_> on notes
04:37:20 < what_nick_> I am going to start on the from server bit
04:37:57 < what_nick_> oh how is the merge by the way ?
04:39:08 < withak> what_nick_: http://www.churchillnavigation.com/employment.html
04:39:18 < withak> these guys emailed me out of the blue about a job :)
04:39:34 < withak> i told them i was completely unqualified for what they wanted :)
04:40:11 < withak> the are building google earth on steroids apparently
04:44:30 < what_nick_> The spill looks nice
04:44:38 < what_nick_> i need to talk to the people
04:44:46 < what_nick_> i can do all of the above ..
04:44:56 < what_nick_> Python , C++ , PGSQL
04:45:01 < withak> tell them i sent you :p
04:45:09 < what_nick_> Rite ....
04:45:11 < what_nick_> :D
04:45:23 < what_nick_> They sent u an invite ?
04:45:28 < withak> though if they are emailing completely unqualified strangers about jobs, then it may not be the best career decision
04:45:45 < withak> Erik:
04:45:45 < withak> I noticed some of your work on WorldWind, and understand you are currently
04:45:45 < withak> pursuing a PhD at U of I -- I'm curious as to whether you might interested in
04:45:45 < withak> working on a more ambitious virtual earth project?  We are working on bringing
04:45:45 < withak> something similar to Google Earth/WorldWind (only faster, better looking,
04:45:46 < withak> etc.) to hand-held consumer electronic devices, along with a desktop
04:45:48 < withak> application that facilitates "wikipedia" style collaborative editing.
04:45:50 < withak> Some older pics in a gallery on our web site:
04:45:52 < withak>     http://www.churchillnavigation.com/
04:45:54 < withak> And a video of some work we did for Volkswagen:
04:45:56 < withak>     http://www.churchillnavigation.com/vwerl.wmv
04:45:58 < withak> Best Wishes,
04:46:00 < withak> --Tom
04:46:15 < what_nick_> Ya that was my impression the sort of people they are looking for are rare and already have cushy jobs
04:46:16 < what_nick_> :D
04:46:33 < what_nick_> VW currently can use GE for nav syste,
04:46:38 < what_nick_> *system
04:46:50 < what_nick_> and with oil running out cars will be rare soon
04:47:02 < what_nick_> I would rather they send me an email ...
04:47:07 < what_nick_> :D
04:47:19 < what_nick_> they company won 2 big contracts on friday
04:47:26 < what_nick_> so we are sitting pretty
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04:49:05 < what_nick_> the gallery does have some pretty pictures
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04:50:07 < withak_> they appear to not have anything but a gallery and an employment page though
04:50:58 < what_nick_> Does look like some sort of startup ...
04:51:30 < what_nick_> and no matter how talented the programmers are sometimes u need critical mass to keep moving at pace
04:54:03 < what_nick_> hmm they do seem to have some cool toys
04:54:09 < what_nick_> light tables ...
04:54:12 < what_nick_> and planes 
04:54:25 < what_nick_> with aerial photo cameras
04:54:43 < what_nick_> i guess they dont have a web designer
04:54:44 < what_nick_> :D
04:56:22 < what_nick_> so merge is done by ...
04:58:37 < withak_> adamhill said there were some errors to fix
04:58:49 < withak_> it doesn't compile yet
04:59:08 <+adamhill> current problem is with Water,cs
04:59:24 < withak_> haha
04:59:27 < withak_> blame what_nick_ 
05:11:46 < what_nick_> what's wrong with it ?
05:11:59 < what_nick_> ie specific erros
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05:35:34 < what_nick_> it is hot and sweltering
05:35:38 < what_nick_> i am off to the pool
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06:06:11 < what_nick_> this is turning so tropical
06:06:13 < what_nick_> it started raining
06:06:17 < what_nick_> i was beginning to love the heat
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06:38:51 < spartacus> Hi. When I create a WorldWind.Renderable.Icon and specify the position, it appears to create the icon in the wrong place... about .25 and .4 degrees oout
06:39:32 < spartacus> my code to do this is very simple, so any thoughts on why it's out of position?
06:58:05 < what_nick_> try 0,0 and see where i goes and then work from there
06:58:08 < what_nick_> :D
06:58:25 < what_nick_> some times altitude can cause errors
06:59:16 < what_nick_> and icons can "swim" around
07:07:23 < spartacus> mmm,i did look at 0,0... i'll have to check if it's consitently out at different locations.
07:08:30 < what_nick_> withak wrote a where is your mouse click landing plugin
07:09:20 < spartacus> yup, i hacked up a similar helper already :-)
07:13:30 * Llynix needs new teeth
07:17:52 < what_nick_> ya we need help in that department to do proper mesh intersections
07:18:01 < what_nick_> to land clicks more accurately
07:18:25 < what_nick_> So if you can come up with something we can put it in MeasureToolNG
07:21:16 < spartacus> hmm. how does it currently land clicks? I just used PickingRayIntersection...
07:21:58 < spartacus> setting programmatically seems to work perfectly
07:22:24 < what_nick_> even with high terrain ?
07:22:30 < what_nick_> try around la paz 
07:22:33 < what_nick_> or everest
07:30:37 < spartacus> everest seems to be spot on too
07:32:04 * spartacus figures there must be some click capture weirdness going on
07:33:58 < what_nick_> withak_ has few shots of mislanding clicks
07:34:05 < what_nick_> try clicking with tilt on
07:35:39 < spartacus> good to know the icons are being drawn inthe correc location though...
07:36:06 < what_nick_> http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/798219/an/0/page/0#798219
07:36:25 < what_nick_> i am just trying to attract some flame from GE fanboys
07:41:18 < spartacus> give it time ;-)
07:43:24 < what_nick_> Strange how people expect everything without giving something back
07:43:38 < what_nick_> it is like toddler syndrome for the whole of net
07:45:33 < spartacus> what do mean specifically?
07:48:12 < what_nick_> just people asking for free imagery 
07:48:19 < what_nick_> and better code 
07:48:34 < what_nick_> just make urself a open design satellite
07:48:40 < what_nick_> some sensors
07:49:15 < what_nick_> and use these guys to put it sub-orbital -> http://masten-space.com/
07:51:18 < spartacus> ah ok. there's any number of commercial sources for imagery... aircraft, photography, and satellites aren't exactly cheap. we're just lucky that governments often make data available
07:51:50 < spartacus> that said, the masten prices look really good (except i'm not USian, so can't use 'em)
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08:04:35 * spartacus wonders about a bug in the PointToClient method...
08:07:18 < spartacus> bingo
08:13:19 < spartacus> http://www.vems.co.nz/images/wwb.png
08:14:00 < spartacus> the white X is where I clicked. i set the Form position to the Point X,Y that was returned from the PointToClient Method
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08:24:32 < spartacus> hmm... but that's provided by System.Windows.Forms.Control...  so why would that be wrong?
08:28:06 < spartacus> works great in fullscreen mode tho! :'-(
08:28:29 * spartacus makes a note to do the rest of the project in fullscreen
08:31:49 < spartacus> hmm. maybe pointtoclient + the client window location x,y offset
08:39:09 < tmpvar> http://tmpvar.com
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09:30:59 < fiveofoh> spartacus:1680x1050
09:31:15 < fiveofoh> Good gracious, how big is that monitor?
09:31:37 < spartacus> yup
09:32:34 < fiveofoh> I made a easy-peasy plugin version of withak's thingy...
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09:37:46 < fiveofoh> http://fiveofoh.llynix.com/GlobeCursor.cs
09:38:06 < fiveofoh> That'll render a crosshairs on where your mouse click should land
09:40:52 < spartacus> cool, thanks
09:43:01 < spartacus> ah ok. e.X and e.Y
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14:55:31 < withak_> spartacus: the problem with clicks is that the location of the click on the screen is transfered to a lat/lon on a sphere
14:55:42 < withak_> not taking into account terrain
14:56:53 < withak_> so when terrain is high and the mouse pointer is away from the center of the screen then the click doesn't go where you want
14:57:18 < withak_> someone needs to fix PickingRayIntersection() so it intersects a ray with the actual terrain mesh instead of a sphere
14:58:04 < T_Servo> hmm, good point
14:59:14 < withak_> right now it just does some simple spherical trig, it needs to do something fancier with the terrain mesh
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15:04:56 < withak_> someone make a big, all-caps, sticky thread on the forums saying TURN OFF UAC AND REBOOT
15:05:21 <+Nowak> lol
15:07:31 < T_Servo> http://forum.worldwindcentral.com/showthread.php?p=42114
15:09:15 < roeles> lol
15:09:21 < roeles> wtf is UAC?
15:11:48 < withak_> the vista security feature that doesn't let users write outside of their regular data directory
15:13:24 < T_Servo> http://earthissquare.com/2007/02/17/a-call-to-microsoft/
15:13:34 < T_Servo> I know peopel from microsoft read my blog
15:16:29 < roeles> ah
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15:23:38 < what_nick_> hi all
15:23:45 < what_nick_> hmm ...
15:28:55 < what_nick_> Ideas for SOC ...
15:29:02 < what_nick_> I have so many ...
15:29:12 < what_nick_> Starting a Page on the wiki
15:29:13 < T_Servo> start a wiki page
15:29:16 < T_Servo> lol
15:30:25 < what_nick_> The 3D cross section thing will work well with the seismic survey data adamhill wanted to visualize
15:30:29 < what_nick_> dont u think
15:37:52 < T_Servo> I would like to incoperate it into the EQ plug-in
15:46:35 < what_nick_> We need deformable terrain
15:46:49 < what_nick_> which actally shakes during an earthquake
15:52:28 < withak_> if anyone needs to borrow a seismology book to get the shaking right then let me know :)
15:53:55 < T_Servo> ok, heading out
15:53:58 < T_Servo> back in a bit
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18:40:47 >> #worldwind JOIN barnacle9 (n=42dfa0ab@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
18:42:17 < barnacle9> g'day
18:42:29 >> #worldwind JOIN ArmCable (n=18ef5bbf@madmappers.freeearthfoundation.com)
18:43:16 < m_k> hey b9
18:43:26 < ArmCable> Is Anyone chatting
18:43:30 < barnacle9> how r things?
18:44:10 < m_k> good :)
18:44:15 <@Bull_[UK]> b my bddy
18:44:25 < barnacle9> ArmCable: you will find that many people are logged in, and they will often pop in and out based on what is being discussed
18:44:26 <@Bull_[UK]> buddy
18:44:29 < barnacle9> Bull!
18:44:52 <@Bull_[UK]> long time
18:45:04 < barnacle9> yes, indeed
18:45:10 <@Bull_[UK]> you better try 14 soon
18:45:14 <@Bull_[UK]> ;)
18:45:16 * barnacle9 is a slacker with a lousy computer
18:45:22 <@Bull_[UK]> :(
18:45:39 <@Bull_[UK]> stil in AK?
18:45:39 * barnacle9 has tried 1.4 pre - just downloading patch
18:46:05 < barnacle9> yes, and loving it - just need better internet and system
18:46:19 < barnacle9> loving AK, that is
18:46:40 <@Bull_[UK]> cool, it does sound a nce place
18:47:01 < barnacle9> oh man, words cannot fully describe
18:47:24 * barnacle9 climbed through a glacier last week
18:47:34 <@Bull_[UK]> nature in its raw glory
18:47:38 <@Bull_[UK]> sweet
18:48:43 < barnacle9> and Cordova is very isolated, but close to Anchorage (8 - 12 hrs by ferry/driving, 30-45 minutes by air)
18:49:16 < _adam_gfx> hey B9
18:49:41 < barnacle9> soon world-class heli-skiers will be invading our little town (Warren Miller, etc.)
18:49:44 < barnacle9> hey adam!
18:49:47 <@Bull_[UK]> b9 feel like a fight? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:NASA_World_Wind
18:49:56 < barnacle9> :)
18:50:11 < barnacle9> checking  . . .
18:50:52 <@Bull_[UK]> hehe its our nice little spat with wikipedia
18:52:51 < barnacle9> what the hell are they trying to say here? do they have a point in your opinion?
18:53:14 <@Bull_[UK]> they are just anal
18:53:25 < barnacle9> I guess!!!!
18:54:10 < nhv> b9 surfaces  :-)
18:54:21 * barnacle9 has argued in other forums that WW's Microsoft connection does not make WW any less Open and Free
18:54:26 < barnacle9> nhv! :)
18:55:47 * barnacle9 is sorry to hear about Jim Gray - what is the official word - lost at sea?
18:56:08 < nhv> no official word  but yes
18:56:32 < nhv> no clues which make it kind of mysterious     just vanished
18:56:37 < barnacle9> my condolences to friends and family - however, not a bad way to go
18:56:43 < nhv> good weather etc
18:57:20 * barnacle9 hopes he just sailed into a peaceful encounter with Davy Jones, if indeed he is gone
18:57:53 <@Bull_[UK]> I'll admit I'm a newbie I'd never heard of him before he went missing but has learned we owe him so much
18:58:08 < barnacle9> odd, though - a 40' sailboat doesn't usually just disappear
18:58:20 * barnacle9 did not know Jim Gray either
18:58:26 <@Bull_[UK]> yeah very strange
18:59:04 < m_k> Bull_[UK]: so do you have a higher-res copy of your youtube video?
18:59:19 < stepman> that goddamn paris hilton is polluting our news because she decided to celebreate her birthday in austria >:(
18:59:33 < barnacle9> BTW - nice video, Bull! good work
18:59:54 <@Bull_[UK]> m_k-I do, but not uploaded yet
18:59:58 < m_k> k
19:00:05 <@Bull_[UK]> thnks b9
19:01:06 <@Bull_[UK]> I think I'll upload the 400mb xvid, nowa can convert it if he wants
19:01:21 * barnacle9 might go build snow cave and camp near glacier tonight . . .
19:02:06 * barnacle9 is adapting well to AK winter for a California boy
19:02:24 < stepman> heh
19:02:52 * Bull_[UK] is jealous
19:03:13 * stepman vividly remembers not finding enough snow and sleeping outside in -25C
19:04:46 < barnacle9> brrr! Cordova never gets that cold- too near Gulf
19:06:18 >> #worldwind JOIN r0 (n=rnbc@a81-84-142-46.cpe.netcabo.pt)
19:06:52 < stepman> yup.. that was cold even for austrian winters.
19:07:02 * barnacle9 prefers  -10C to -15C - then air is crisp and clear, and the ice is sticky so my bike tires stick
19:08:00 < barnacle9> currently too warm at -4C
19:10:15 < barnacle9> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Google_Earth_comparison -- what needs to be updated?
19:11:03 <@Bull_[UK]> no idea, lol, /me never uses GE
19:11:47 * barnacle9 hasn't used newest GE
19:12:22 < barnacle9> but somebody did a considerable amount of work to the page - most of my biased writing is gone :)
19:12:43 <@Bull_[UK]> hehe
19:13:02 < barnacle9> that is probably a good thing :)
19:13:12 * nhv adapting to winter in San Diego  :-)
19:13:38 < barnacle9> wow- what brings you there? (poor nhv) :-)
19:13:55 < nhv> CalIT2  and SDSC
19:14:17 < nhv> um  I mean palm trees  :-)
19:14:17 < barnacle9> ?
19:14:30 < barnacle9> and the gurlz? :)
19:14:48 < nhv> http://calit2.net/    
19:14:59 * nhv is very appreciative of local fauna
19:15:17 < barnacle9> :-) 
19:15:28 >> #worldwind JOIN mazop (n=mazop@dsl-79-152.utaonline.at)
19:15:33 * barnacle9 misses California wildlife :)
19:17:24 < barnacle9> wow- is this related to paid work, or your many volunteer projects?
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19:31:19 * barnacle9 has bad connection . . .
19:32:10 * barnacle9 must go work, but promises not to be IRC slacker so much as recently :)
19:32:45 < barnacle9> ciao!
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19:59:51 <@Bull_[UK]> lol, watching top gear, they went to bagdad (alabama?) and painted man love, I'm bi and hilary clinton for resdent, and almost got killed by rednecks at a gas station
20:00:09 < roeles> http://www.bassictech.com/blogs/bassictech_news_blog/archive/2007/01/20/remapping-the-universe-using-this-gui.aspx
20:00:12 <@Bull_[UK]> hilarious
20:04:43 <@Bull_[UK]> thats sweet
20:07:57 <@Bull_[UK]> and Patrick is being sweet too :D
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20:10:12 <@Bull_[UK]> http://www.topgear.com/blogs/planettopgear/027-sweet-home-alabama/
20:11:04 < T_Servo> ok, I am done... almost 3 hours of sledding
20:12:21 <@Bull_[UK]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtDo6efybGY&eurl=
20:13:44 < T_Servo> http://earthissquare.com/2007/02/17/a-call-to-microsoft/#comments
20:18:46 < nhv> since we are posting your tube sightings  :-)    < caution do not view while drinking liquids > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc
20:19:21 * T_Servo has been to youtube once... don;t feel like waiting an hour for a 30 second clip :)
20:22:02 < roeles> hehe
20:22:14 < roeles> slow connection?
20:22:33 < T_Servo> you missed all the times it has been referenced I use a dialup connection at home? :)
20:25:31 <@Bull_[UK]> nhv lol
20:26:29 < nhv> :-)
20:29:40 <@Bull_[UK]> T_Servo - go to the library and watch those vids (and test GE)
20:30:06 < T_Servo> was going to today, but the library closed at 2 today.. 1.5 hours ago
20:30:26 <@Bull_[UK]> :(
20:30:59 < T_Servo> had too much fun sledding
20:31:11 <@Bull_[UK]> hehe
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20:42:35 <+Nowak> 21:00:09 < roeles> http://www.bassictech.com/blogs/bassictech_news_blog/archive/2007/01/20/remapping-the-universe-using-this-gui.aspx
20:42:45 * Nowak is definitively going to use a few ideas from here :D
20:43:14 < nhv> I get 404 on that page
20:43:14 < stepman> uh, that is two or three years old
20:45:28 < withak__> that thing would make my arms tired
20:48:14 <@Bull_[UK]> looks cool though
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20:50:47 <@Bull_[UK]> multiple uses s cool
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21:57:54 <@Bull_[UK]> merge is getting closer
21:59:36 <@Bull_[UK]> builds and runs, dynmic clouds has issues
22:02:03 <@Bull_[UK]> hmm I dont know how to make dynamic clouds an external plugin
22:06:00 < m_k> hey, if gpstracker is internal plugin now... there's no easy way to update it, right?
22:06:38 <@Bull_[UK]> nope, but javier ade it that way
22:07:35 <@Bull_[UK]> it looks difficult to make external
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22:42:08 <@Bull_[UK]> http://download.worldwindcentral.com/users/bull/bigprev2.avi - tom do not click it
22:42:22 < T_Servo[II]> hehe
22:42:22 <@Bull_[UK]> 472mb
22:42:33 >> SignOff: T_Servo (Nick collision from services.) [#worldwind]
22:42:40 < T_Servo[II]> sheesh
22:42:48 >> T_Servo[II] is now known as T_Servo
22:43:08 <@Bull_[UK]> I'll let Nowak recoress it
22:43:23 <@Bull_[UK]> recompress
22:45:03 < T_Servo> hrn
22:45:14 < T_Servo> WW has been in the load window for 4 minutes now
22:45:52 <@Bull_[UK]> :/
22:46:15 < T_Servo> too many plug-ins I bet
22:46:22 * T_Servo turns off ones he never uses
22:46:43 <@Bull_[UK]> or a network ml stalling it
22:46:50 <@Bull_[UK]> xml*
22:46:57 <+Nowak> 23:43:08 <@Bull_[UK]> I'll let Nowak recoress it
22:46:58 <+Nowak> lol
22:47:09 * Bull_[UK] hdes
22:47:13 < withak> turn off waving flags
22:47:17 < withak> it takes forever to load
22:47:30 < withak> with all the number format errors in the data file
22:47:55 < T_Servo> it has been off
22:48:20 <@Bull_[UK]> my encoding in h.264 went badly, explorer reloads everytime i click my file
22:48:31 < T_Servo> hmm, could also be the 3dconnection plug-in
22:49:12 < T_Servo> AFK a bit... I think three hours out in the cold has wrecked my body too much.. steaming hot shower and a hot drink are calling
22:49:26 <@Bull_[UK]> :)
22:49:31 <@Bull_[UK]> relax
22:53:39 < adamhill> is DynamicClouds a Patrick M thing?
22:53:56 <@Bull_[UK]> nah Chris
22:54:25 < adamhill> hrm... we can always ask if he can take a look at it after the merge :)
22:54:37 <@Bull_[UK]> yea
22:54:56 < T_Servo> getting a lot of timeouts on the i3 imagery
22:55:24 <@Bull_[UK]> http://shockfire.dyndns.org:10039/WSweb/merge7.rar [22:13] sfshockfire: if you want you can share that .rar file with others who want to check it
22:56:40 <@Bull_[UK]> dl monitor desnt work yet
22:57:03 <@Bull_[UK]> other stuff seems ok
23:02:23 <@Bull_[UK]> T_Servo no timeouts hereyet
23:03:58 <@Bull_[UK]> everest is still black
23:11:55 <+Nowak> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/index.php?title=%D8%AA%D8%AD%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%84_%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%AC_%D8%B1%D8%A4%D9%8A%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%84_%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%82%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%87&rcid=13179
23:12:00 <+Nowak> anyone know what this means ? :P
23:17:49 <@Bull_[UK]> you broke something?
23:19:24 <@Bull_[UK]> fix hotspots login while you are at it?
23:23:35 < T_Servo> steve lambardi just posted on my blog
23:23:47 < T_Servo> http://earthissquare.com/2007/02/17/a-call-to-microsoft/#comments
23:24:51 <@Bull_[UK]> cool
23:25:17 < T_Servo> I would have asked a friend of mine at MS.. but he went from being their FT to a contractor
23:26:10 < T_Servo> I wonder if installing outside of program files would "fix" the issue as well
23:26:12 < spartacus> Nowak: looks like non-ascii title (%D8 = "latin capital O, slash")
23:27:54 < withak> if you click it you can see exactly what the title is :p
23:28:02 < withak> تحميل برنامج رؤية النازل عبر الاقمار الصناعيه
23:28:43 < spartacus> anyone can translate?
23:29:08 < T_Servo> I KNOW it was the 3dconnection plug-in that caused rundll32 to use up CPU yesterday... but damn if I cant get it to repeat
23:29:27 < T_Servo> still took note of it
23:29:33 < spartacus> user plugins, cache, etc could be considered as user data, so maybe username/application data folder is the appropriate place for such things
23:30:07 < T_Servo> yea, but if you have 3 people using the computer, that is 3 cache folders
23:30:37 < T_Servo> so, instead of 3Gig of cache, you could have 9+ Gigs of the same cache
23:30:53 < spartacus> i agree, and i see the problem... just that on campus here, typical users wouldn't have program files access anyway
23:31:47 < T_Servo> it is nice having friends at MS.. I have gotten some good info out of the internal support boards
23:32:01 < spartacus> cool. i guess it's something that should be configurable... 
23:32:47 < nhv> huh   it is a PC no   'Personal Computer'   so why more the one user   :-)  < just kidding >
23:32:49 < spartacus> here, we could probably benefit from a network location being the cache
23:33:31 < T_Servo> spartacus: Several schools are doing that
23:33:44 < T_Servo> their is one cache folder all the student computers access
23:33:56 < spartacus> yup, that sounds ideal
23:34:14 < spartacus> is that supported in the default build?
23:34:19 < withak> probably any situation with multiple users on one computer would also have an IT dept. whose job it would be to configure WW with the cache somewhere for every use to reach
23:34:26 < T_Servo> I think that steaming hot shower was what I needed...probably should have also skipped that chili.. it wasnlt that good
23:34:46 < withak> cache location is configurable
23:34:54 < T_Servo> spartacus: you just have to config the cache folder location
23:34:56 < withak> in the alt+q window i think
23:35:05 < spartacus> ok. i'll look a bit harder then
23:35:25 < T_Servo> withak: At work I think they are typical 1 user boxes.. but at home and schools.. multiple users
23:35:53 < T_Servo> where does GE store it's cache?
23:36:12 < withak> %appdata%
23:36:24 < withak> but GE cache is limited in size
23:36:31 < T_Servo> just looked in there.. the google folder is empty
23:36:51 < withak> mine has a 100MB dbCache.dat
23:36:57 < T_Servo> hmm
23:37:41 < T_Servo> ok, I'll say it again.. lovin this space navigator... even if I can only use it in WW
23:37:43 < withak> in the program dir there is nothing big enough to be the cache
23:38:23 < withak> spartacus: second item in the alt-q window is cache location :)
23:38:24 < T_Servo> well, also have barely used my GE install at home
23:38:47 < T_Servo> left it running 20 minutes and had 1 tile load
23:39:17 < spartacus> withak, yup, that works. that said, i can't find an Alt-Q menu item... only Alt-W for options.
23:39:28 < withak> it's not in a menu :)
23:39:32 < withak> alt-q only
23:39:37 < T_Servo> Yes, I understand your point and it does perfectly make sense.
23:39:40 < T_Servo> It sounds like something like
23:39:40 < spartacus> ah... secrets
23:39:43 < T_Servo> "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users"
23:39:43 < T_Servo> could be used for storing shared data, however it's still not writeable for guest users
23:39:46 < T_Servo> that could work...
23:40:00 < T_Servo> write cache and settings to "all users"
23:40:06 < withak> it's settings that get set by the config wizard
23:40:14 < T_Servo> a lot of "hidden" settings and commands
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23:47:20 < withak> did ddh say how often his experimental modis layers update?
23:47:32 < withak> is it less than 24 hours?
23:47:58 < T_Servo> no idea..
23:48:46 < withak> http://pneumatictu.be/test.xml
23:48:53 < withak> i added 24-hr expiration to the modis
23:50:05 < withak> and i still get black tiles from i3 landsat :-/
23:56:47 < nhv> 24-72 hours old IIRC
23:57:35 <@Bull_[UK]> yup nhvis correct
23:57:39 <@Bull_[UK]> ;)
23:58:07 < withak> so should tiles expire in 24 to make sure you have the newest or in 72 to only have server traffic when you are sure there is new data?
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